CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: www (fwd)

[Grant Bayley <gbayley@ausmac.net>]

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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:23:44 +1100 (EST)
From: Grant Bayley <gbayley@ausmac.net>
To: sjobs@apple.com
Cc: ausmac-talk@wiretapped.net, notes201@macintouch.com
Subject: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: www (fwd)

Hi Steve (Mr Jobs),

I thought you might like to see this, coming from the OpenSSH folks - you
know - the ones that make connections to remote computers secure.

I remember the time when OS X didn't ship with an SSH client or server,
offering "Telnet" both as a client and server.  I also remember seeing one
of the OS X betas shipping with OpenSSL and OpenSSH (one from around the
time of your January demo).  The former provides a suite of cryptographic
services for developers to use in their software, and is shipped with
just about every good distribution of Unix I can think of these days.  The
latter provides services and clients for users to encrypt communications
between computers.

Now, and unless Apple has had a sudden change of heart at the last minute,
Apple's Mac OS X operating system will ship without any cryptographic
services that developers or users can hook into nor any means for users to
encrypt communications between computers (for example between their OS 9
clients and an OS X server).

This is, for the want of a better term, a damned shame.

Even US export regulations shouldn't have held back Apple any more.  OS
9.1 ships with 128-bit crypto and OpenSSL has been exportable from the US
for some time now.

I apologise if you find the tone of Niels' remarks unsavoury, but I
suspect it will sum up the feelings of a number of Mac users when they
realise their operating system is neither secure nor even makes an attempt
to be.

Since OS X will probably have shipped by the time you read this, how about
offering an OpenSSL framework, OpenSSH server and client and a replacement
Sharing Control Panel for OS X that allows a non-CLI-savvy user to secure
their network communications?

Quite seriously, this is the only real flaw in can lump onto OS X.  Please
pass on my congratulations to everyone for a job well done in every other
regard.

Grant Bayley

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Grant Bayley                         gbayley@ausmac.net
-IT Manager @ FNL Communications       (www.fnl.com.au)
-Admin @ AusMac Archive, Wiretapped.net, 2600 Australia
 www.ausmac.net   www.wiretapped.net   www.2600.org.au
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:52:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Niels Provos <provos@cvs.openbsd.org>
To: source-changes@cvs.openbsd.org
Subject: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: www

CVSROOT:	/cvs
Module name:	www
Changes by:	provos@cvs.openbsd.org	2001/03/19 19:52:57

Modified files:
	openssh        : users.html

Log message:
remove apple.  they dont ship openssh in their release.  they suck.