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Re: A newbie's contribution?
> I hear ya Dirk!
We all did :)
> I'm kind of a n00b. I find it terribly difficult to deal with the
> arrogant Ubernerds who shoo you with links to sites you've
> read already.
> The same sites that failed to answer your questions and the
> reason you're
> now in a mailing list.
I'm kind of a newbie (I refuse to use cool computer language as n00b)
too. I find it very easy to deal with what you call arrogant ‹bernerds.
When I started out I knew nothing about *nix at all, I hadn't tried
Linux or any *nix OS. All I knew was microsoft thingies.
Did I mail the list questions that were covered in the FAQ or in the man
Yes I did.
Did i get flamed?
Yes I did.
Do I still sometimes ask questions that is covered in the FAQ or man
Yes sometimes I do (pretty often I think).
Do I get flamed?
Do I get pointed to numerous pages on the net?
Sometimes when these hold the answer to my question. Why should one
write a load of text when it is allready written?
You see, it is a huge different to ask "this doesn't work, tell me how
to do it" and "this doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? I searched
google, looked at these sites, read the man page and the archives, I
tried this and this and that. Here is a dmesg if that helps. Thanks in
advance for any help." Sometimes I even forget to search/look at any of
these valuable sources and even then I've gotten away without beeing
flamed. Probably because I was not demanding any answer. A very good
example is when is asked why I couldn't connect to my PostgeSQL database
from a client eventhough i could see that postmaster was running. I got
a coulpe of answers saying that I need to include the -i option when i
started the postmaster. The part about -i is off course in the man page,
this isn't even a part of OpenBSD yet these people helped me out (thank
> If I'm going through the trouble of joining a fscking mailing list,
> getting SPAMMED with 500 messages a day, I want an ANSWER.
> Not runaround.
Did you se a "please join the OpenBSD mailing list" when you first
logged in, did they send you a mail saying that you are now subscribed
to the mailing list misc@"? No you signed up. No further explanation
> Have these Ubernerds lost their enthusiasm in OpenBSD?
> Are they trying to discourage others from using it? I
> certainly seems so.
No. No but they are not trying to encourage people to use it either.
> PS: It's not a flame, it's the truth.
When pigs fly up my arse.
// Mika Ullgren -- Still a newbie and happy