Re: A newbie's contribution?

["Mika Ullgren" <mika.ullgren@lemonplanet.com>]

> I hear ya Dirk!

We all did :)

> 
> I'm kind of a n00b.  I find it terribly difficult to deal with the
> arrogant Ubernerds who shoo you with links to sites you've 
> read already.
> The same sites that failed to answer your questions and the 
> reason you're
> now in a mailing list.

I'm kind of a newbie (I refuse to use cool computer language as n00b)
too. I find it very easy to deal with what you call arrogant Übernerds.
When I started out I knew nothing about *nix at all, I hadn't tried
Linux or any *nix OS. All I knew was microsoft thingies. 
Did I mail the list questions that were covered in the FAQ or in the man
pages? 
Yes I did. 
Did i get flamed? 
Yes I did. 
Do I still sometimes ask questions that is covered in the FAQ or man
pages? 
Yes sometimes I do (pretty often I think).
Do I get flamed?
Very rarley.
Do I get pointed to numerous pages on the net?
Sometimes when these hold the answer to my question. Why should one
write a load of text when it is allready written?

You see, it is a huge different to ask "this doesn't work, tell me how
to do it" and "this doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? I searched
google, looked at these sites, read the man page and the archives, I
tried this and this and that. Here is a dmesg if that helps. Thanks in
advance for any help." Sometimes I even forget to search/look at any of
these valuable sources and even then I've gotten away without beeing
flamed. Probably because I was not demanding any answer. A very good
example is when is asked why I couldn't connect to my PostgeSQL database
from a client eventhough i could see that postmaster was running. I got
a coulpe of answers saying that I need to include the -i option when i
started the postmaster. The part about -i is off course in the man page,
this isn't even a part of OpenBSD yet these people helped me out (thank
you). 
> 
> If I'm going through the trouble of joining a fscking mailing list,
> getting SPAMMED with 500 messages a day, I want an ANSWER.  
> Not runaround.

Did you se a "please join the OpenBSD mailing list" when you first
logged in, did they send you a mail saying that you are now subscribed
to the mailing list misc@"? No you signed up. No further explanation
needed.
> 
> Have these Ubernerds lost their enthusiasm in OpenBSD?
> Are they trying to discourage others from using it?  I 
> certainly seems so.

No. No but they are not trying to encourage people to use it either.
Look again.
> 
> Ian
> 
> PS: It's not a flame, it's the truth.
>
When pigs fly up my arse.  


// Mika Ullgren -- Still a newbie and happy