RE: The Talk: ssh - are you nuts!?!

["Lipscomb, Al" <LipscombA@hsn.net>]

I think the problem here (based on the original postings and offline email)
is that the speaker is attempting to give a talk when they do not even
understand the technology. Check the archives for more info. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Wyman [mailto:wysoft@wysoft.tzo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 9:40 AM
> To: Internet Chat
> Cc: opentrax@email.com; tech@openbsd.org
> Subject: Re: The Talk: ssh - are you nuts!?!
> 
> 
> I think developers like to hear all points of view on their 
> products, both
> good and bad. How else would they know what and how to improve their 
> product?
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Internet Chat wrote:
> 
> > Sending this to the guys who made OpenSSH, is really bad taste.
> > 
> > It's like me sending a mesages saying ur "talk" is useless, 
> evil and ....
> > 
> > i don't think the developers like it.
> > 
> > On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 opentrax@email.com wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 			SSH - are you nuts!?!
> > > 			by Jesus Monroy, Jr.
> > > 
> > > I'm too tired to get this out, but i promised it would
> > > be available, so here it is.
> > > 
> > > The Offical Part
> > > ----------------
> > > On Jan. 4, 2001, a talk entitled "ssh - are you nuts!?!"
> > > will be given at the SVBUG (Silicon Valley BSD User Group)
> > > monthly meeting by Club President Jesse Monroy, Jr.
> > > Details available at:
> > > 
> > > 	http://www.svbug.com/events/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > My part
> > > -------
> > > Today at 7:45pm (local time) this talk will start.
> > > People say I'm nuts, sometimes I think they are
> > > right. Currently, I've heard hundreds of points
> > > of views, read dozens of papers, and comtemplated
> > > solutions with vicious circles. Two days before
> > > Christmas I related this to my brother-in-law,
> > > a Havard/Yale/Cambridge MBA. His response was,
> > > "Builds character."; hmm.. Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Other club presidents ask me, "Are you serious
> > > about this?" My business partner expressed, just 
> > > after Christmas, "Is this worth it?"  I'll admit, 
> > > at times, this whole thing has been a bit crazy.
> > > 
> > > So as I've said today at 7:45pm local time, here
> > > in Silicon Valley, I will be speaking. 
> > > The title is "SSH - are you nuts!?!"
> > > 
> > > What do I mean by this? Well to get exactly what
> > > I mean you may:
> > > 
> > > 1) Come to the talk. Details are available at:
> > > 	http://www.svbug.com/events/
> > > 2) See my notes after the talk - posted to:
> > > 	http://www.svbug.com/past/
> > > 3) Or see the event with on-line video
> > >    when it's available later this year.
> > > 
> > > For those you you interested, below are selected points 
> from my talk.
> > > 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > -What I won't  be saying
> > > 	-SSH is evil.
> > > 	-SSH is useless.
> > > 	-SSH is a bad idea.
> > > 	-Authentication/Encryption is a hoax or does not work.
> > > 	-Public Key Encryption does not work. (I have no proof.)
> > > 	-I can break Public Key Encryption. (At least, not now.)
> > > 	-I USE SSH. (1 or 2)
> > > 	-I never intend to use SSH.
> > > 	-My systems have never been compromised.
> > > -My frame of reference
> > > -What I will be saying
> > > 	-Voice my personal complaints
> > > 	-Expose encryption/security myths
> > > 	-Investigate the technical specs/issues
> > > 	-Investigage Technical, Social, Economic, Financial Problems
> > > 	-Investigate attackers and attacks
> > > 	-Tell you where to get SSH
> > > 	-Showing alternatives
> > > -Why I'm doing this
> > > -My Personal Complaints
> > > -What people have to say
> > > -SSHv1 vs. SSHv2
> > > -SSHv2 Features
> > > -The SSH Specs (the problems within)
> > > -Authentication/Encryption - Two methods to argue
> > > 	-can never be broken
> > > 	-can always be broken
> > > -SSH(v2) Faults
> > > 	-New Technical problems it creates
> > > 	-Technical Problems outside of SSH control
> > > 	-There are common misconceptions about it's functionality
> > > 	-Social Problems
> > >         -Economic Problems
> > > 	-Financial Problems
> > > 	-Still Subject to ...
> > > -Who wants your data
> > > -What is the Man-In-The-Middle
> > > -Your Governments Involvement
> > > -What SSH programs there are
> > > -What alternatives you have
> > > 	-Start with a Strategem
> > > 	-Technical Prevention
> > > 	-Technical Counter Measures
> > > -Last words
> > > 
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