Re: Why won't you just shut up?

[jason <jason@tacorp.com>]

I'm sure many people are concerned with where the project is going.  Maybe
this is not the right place for these posts, but, I'm sure they would die
real fast if there was actually a project in the works so people could
start coding.  And maybe that project is already in the works.  Until then
I dont' see anything wrong with people trying to offer input to help
solve the problem.

Also, I don't think posts like yours help the situation any.  Calling
people dumb and ignorant and telling them they make you 'goddamn sick'
only further feeds the flame and makes them wonder if this project has
what it takes to continue being successful.

I'm sure Mr de Raddt has plenty to deal with right now but I think his
attitude is wrong.  I know this is not a popularity contest but that
doesn't mean we have to forget your manners and show disrespect.  Telling
your users who are trying to offer input to 'shut up and go away' would be
considered rude where I come from.

In the mean time what happened to goal number 7?  I agree what Darren's
license is not fit for openbsd, but I find it shocking that he's not even
willing to talk with Theo. And I'm sure Darren has a reason for this.
Then Darren sends posts to the ipfilter list talking of threats made by Mr
de Raddt.  This sounds very political to me.  But maybe that's good.  This
may yield another chance to show off technical merit.


Let the flames begin.


Jason




On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, brian wrote:

> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:14:26 +0300 (IDT)
> From: brian <brian@bsd.org.il>
> To: tech@openbsd.org
> Subject: Why won't you just shut up?
>
> Some of you make me goddamn sick. Seeing posts
> like "hey, just port that from freebsd", or
> "why can't the openbsd people do an openipf"
> only shows how ignorant and dumb some of you are.
>
> Coding a new packet filtering software is NOT
> something you can do over-night. Especially not
> when people like you keep shouting on the *tech*
> mailing list, asking questions that have been
> answered over 10 times.
>
> I believe the openbsd development team are working
> on ideas, I really doubt an OS like openbsd will
> let something like that hurt it. And I think that
> instead of suggesting 'solutions', you should shut
> up. The only help that can be really considered
> now is some people who are actually willing to put
> some efforts into code.
>
> And no, to that dude who wanted a layer 7 filtering
> support in the new firewall, I can assure you it
> won't be even considered, unless you want a major
> degrade in performance. There are other tools for
> that.
>
> And bringing up that gcc issue was really smart too,
> with all the pressure Theo and the rest got on
> solving the firewall/nat problem, they *don't* need
> people telling them they need to find replacements
> for other software.
>
> All in all, don't ask questions on 'tech' while they
> obviously belong to 'misc' (or, just read the other
> posts before you decide you have something to say).
>
> The openbsd people know what they're doing. Unless
> you can offer real help (ie., coding), shut up.
>
> -b