Re: Why won't you just shut up?

["Tony Lambiris" <tlambiris@skillsoft.com>]

> I'm sure many people are concerned with where the project is going.  Maybe
> this is not the right place for these posts, but, I'm sure they would die

Youre right... this doesnt belong on @tech..

> real fast if there was actually a project in the works so people could
> start coding.  And maybe that project is already in the works.  Until then
> I dont' see anything wrong with people trying to offer input to help
> solve the problem.

OpenBSD can't do anything else until Darren changes his license to a BSDish
license (that allows _anyone_ to redistribute IPF, modified or not). What
dont you join the IPF mailinglist, because frankly Im sick of hearing about
this issue.

> Also, I don't think posts like yours help the situation any.  Calling

And you think yours help? Do you realize how many people have posted to this
list saying in some warped way, that it's actually OpenBSD's fault for
Darren releasing IPF under a license that conflicts with OpenBSD's? All
you're doing is talking and wasting bandwidth. If you want anything done...
talk to the person who is allowed to release IPF under whatever license he
chooses... maybe you could ask him pretty-please... with cherry's on top?

> people dumb and ignorant and telling them they make you 'goddamn sick'
> only further feeds the flame and makes them wonder if this project has
> what it takes to continue being successful.

Then you obviously havent done any research on OpenBSD, the project. The
whole REASON it was created was because the NetBSD team was more interested
in politics than code. What do you mean by 'successful'? Microsoft is
successful, yet their code sucks. I think you should clarify

> I'm sure Mr de Raddt has plenty to deal with right now but I think his

Who... Theo? nah... he is just the head coordinator to one of the best
Projects of all time. Im sure he has plenty of time to respond to
misinformed trolls.

> attitude is wrong.  I know this is not a popularity contest but that
> doesn't mean we have to forget your manners and show disrespect.  Telling
> your users who are trying to offer input to 'shut up and go away' would be
> considered rude where I come from.

Are you forgetting that we are all just normal people, and we can only take
so much? It's just a little frustrating when people like you have nothing
else better to do than blame OpenBSD and the developers for a problem that
they neither created or was a part of.

> In the mean time what happened to goal number 7?  I agree what Darren's
> license is not fit for openbsd, but I find it shocking that he's not even

Well then it's agreed. Until Darren changes that, nothing is going to
change. Now can you shutup?

> willing to talk with Theo. And I'm sure Darren has a reason for this.

He does... his panties are in a bunch because

> Then Darren sends posts to the ipfilter list talking of threats made by Mr
> de Raddt.  This sounds very political to me.  But maybe that's good.  This
> may yield another chance to show off technical merit.

Interesting... and how can you prove this. Do you believe everything you
read? It is possible, that Mr. Reed perhaps misinterpreted something, or
misread something? Have you ever heard of the game Telephone? It seems Theo
is made out to be known as this monster under a bridge that lashes at
everyone who crosses his path, yet everytime Ive emailed Theo on a personal
basis, he hasnt shown any signs of such an attitude. In fact he was very
helpful. It looks to me you have targeted the wrong guy....