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Re: OpenBSD/Errata/BUGTraq et al.
- To: misc_(_at_)_openbsd_(_dot_)_org
- Subject: Re: OpenBSD/Errata/BUGTraq et al.
- From: <amanda_(_at_)_wineasy_(_dot_)_se>
- Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:33:59 +0200 (CEST)
Yeah, well, some users got offended by the lifeform comment too.
I can't even *get* to some of my servers in one hour. Sometimes I'm on the
other side of the planet when a security issue comes up.
Perhaps we could take a poll. How many users want stuff like IPv6 and VLAN
in their kernel, and how many want to do remote upgrades?
Look at Debian. You can upgrade to a new version without even a reboot!
Alas the PC architecture is not really designed for remote users. When
will there be a cheap PCI card with onboard ethernet, sshd and an emulated
serial port for remote console access? (cf. HP-UX LAN Console)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Aaron Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 amanda_(_at_)_wineasy_(_dot_)_se wrote:
> > I think that the reason 6-month old systems are unsupported is because
> > OpenBSD is simply not intended for "low lifeform" users. It's just a toy
> > for the developers to brag about.
> Frankly, as one of these developers, this offends me. Look, given the
> limited manpower OpenBSD has in comparison to the other larger projects, I
> think we do a pretty damn good job.
> We are still #1 in security between our matured IPsec codebase, our
> unparalelled source tree audits, OpenSSH, our Secure By Default stance,
> and now our cryptography accelerator support (not to mention the more
> esoteric things like being able to encrypt your swap partitions, or that
> by playing your mp3s you're adding entropy to the random pool). We are #2
> with respect to supported platforms. Our man pages are UNMATCHED, and we
> will continue to improve our documentation in coming releases. Hardware
> support? We cover about 95% of the current 10/100 NIC market, 3 out of 5
> Gigabit chipsets, half of the hardware RAID out there, most SCSI, USB, and
> our laptop support is really starting to kick ass. Networking
> support? IPsec, bridging, vlan, 802.11, ipf/ipnat, and a TCP/IP stack
> that's impressive enough to be used in a new network appliance every other
> month. Yes, I think that's something to brag about.
> I volunteer over 500 hours every 6 months to help develop OpenBSD. You
> can't give up 1 to upgrade a server?
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