Re (to Nick Holland): Re: Help! OpenBSD Forum

["Mark Schmid" <markschmid_(_at_)_gmx_(_dot_)_ch>]

Hi,

Sorry for the mail subject, I don't know how to
reply to a given message without actually having
to subscribe to the entire list, so I just added
the original title and the person I'm replying to
in the subject.


Nick Holland wrote:

> Mark Schmid wrote:
>> I'm having a hard time to find any information in
>> archives of mailing lists. 
>
> Obviously, you are using a bad archive or misusing the search.
>
> There are multiple archives.  Each has a different search ability.
> Learn 'em, and don't rely on just one.

O.K., for some weird reason that seems to be working now.


>> I do wish there would be a forum for questions and
>> discussions, as that would be much much handyer and
>> easier to use than these clumsy mailing lists.
>> Personally I feel mailing lists for discussions and
>> answering questions a thing of the past and way 
>> inferior to a threaded online forum or a news group.
>
> that's one person's opinion.

That's correct. :-)


> Personally, I have NO interest in looking at people's silly pictures and
> incomplete sentences and lots of graphics and all the other stuff that
> seem to fill the "forum" style.

Hm... Big deal...
Then why not go to a forum without graphics?


> Glancing through bsdforums.org,  I saw NO dmesgs, even when they were
> desparately needed.  I saw precisely one name I recognized (and dang,
> that guy gets around and helps people EVERYWHERE!  My hat (and hair) is
> off to you, P.H.).

That might have to do with the fact that the offical
method of reporting dmesgs (bugs), is, as suggested
by www.openbsd.org, to post to bugs_(_at_)_openbsd_(_dot_)_org,
not bsdforums.org...
:-)

If www.openbsd.org would install a nice, simple
forum (withough graphics ;-) and ask to post bugs
and dmesgs there, I'm sure you'd see them there.
- And everyone could browse all messages without
having to email, set up email accounts, find third
party mail archives, etc.
Also supplying file attachements would be much
easier.
Heck, to not break OpenBSD's sendbug utility
(and increase the number of dmesgs), perhaps
a script could transform those emails to a forum
post automatically... But I know, I'm fantasizing... :-)
Noone has the time.


> 
> And that's just my opinion.  You are free to disregard it.
> However, as a question ANSWERER, I sugest my opinion be respected. :)

Oh, EVERYONE likes to have their opinion respected.
Me included. That's why I try to respect the opinions
of others. :-)

If I havn't replied to your replies here on the mailing
list so far, it's only because I'm not subscribing and
don't know how to reply to a specific message without
having to start a new post like right now.
And I believe you have received my answers by personal email,
at least when you cc'ed your reply to my email address.
:-)


>> There is one forum for OpenBSD, at www.bsdforums.org.
>> However, it seems something is very wrong there.
>
> well, the front page has news articles that haven't been updated since
> March 2004.  Looks like a cob-website to me...

Someone mailed me they had a script kiddy attack where someone
registered some 200000 new users, that's why they changed
it all to be by-admin-permission only.
That, together with the fact that the forum admin is gone
on some important family matter since March 2004 probably
explains it all.
:-(


> You want to be where developers hang out, so they can say "BULLSHIT"
> when someone posts something Just Plain Wrong, or maybe even answer
> questions, or become aware of new issues.  Developers don't have time to
> hang out on twenty different places.  We kinda like the mail format.  We
> can keep personal archives, we can look at other archives, etc.

Yea, you're perfectly right. There's no point in dev's
hanging out at 20 different places. And I do want to
be where information quality is good.
(Although that could perhaps be from other sources aswell.)
But how can I participate in a discussion, actually
answering at the right place to a specific post, without
having to set up email accounts and enlist to every individual
mailing list??
And which archive lists my email 20 minutes after posting
in case someone already answered?

Enlising to the mail lists with new email addresses just 
seems to be overkill if you're not a dev.


> Rule #1: If you are asking for free support, you go where the supporters
> hang out, don't expect them to come to you. 8-)

Oh, I'm not expecting them to come to me.
Actually this thread is about me looking for them.

I just find it easier to browse, read and post
to an application which actually has an interface 
for just that reason. - Such as an online discussion 
forum.

But it seems I don't have much choice with 
bsdforums.org currently more or less down for new 
users.


Greetings,
Mark

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