From: owner-ceremony-digest To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V96 #42 Reply-To: ceremony Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest Precedence: bulk ceremony-digest Wednesday, 10 July 1996 Volume 96 : Number 042 (Fac33) Re: forbidden city lyrics (Fac33) Raise the Pressure... Re: (Fac33) I always thought... Re: (Fac33) NO t-shirts Re: (Fac33) I always thought... Re: (Fac33) I always thought... (Fac33) Savillewatch & RtP (Fac33) Raise the Pressure (Fac33) Raise the Pressure and Drugs Re: (Fac33) NO t-shirts Re: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure (Fac33) Manchester (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US Re: (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US Re: (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US (Fac33) forbidden city RE: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure - inside cover stuff Re: (Fac33) forbidden city (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? Re: (Fac33) forbidden city Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: claw@spacsun.rice.edu (Colin Law) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:23:55 -0700 Subject: (Fac33) Re: forbidden city lyrics >> http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremnony/electronic/elec_lyrics/forbidden.html > Minor correction. This should be "ceremony" ;). >There are a few mistakes in the lyrics to Forbidden City. I won't brother >with the little things but the big one is the line: > "You tore me apart" >which is actually: > "You told me your heart" thanks for the correction above and the fix for the lyrics too. I haven't heard any of the new single or album, so I'll take your word for it. thanks for the contribution colin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Law | claw@spacsun.rice.edu | "They say that dreams always end" http://slashmc.rice.edu/ | - Ian Curtis Dept of Space Physics | "Dreams never end..." Rice University | - New Order 713-527-8750 x3531 | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Garrett G. Gunderson" Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 16:25:26 -0700 Subject: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure... Well, I got the new Electronic stuff. I got the import single last week sometime and the domestic album just a few hours ago. I've listened to the single many times and the album only twice. Over all, I must say that I am, in deed, impressed. I like most of the songs. I don't think that this album is as "instantly likable" as the last one is, but I'm sure that it'll grow on me. So far, my favorties are (in no order): Visit Me Forbidden City Until the End of Time Second Nature A New Religion Dark Angel Well, just my first impressions. - -Garrett Gunderson vidboy@paul.spu.edu ------------------------------ From: BarItalia@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 05:18:16 -0400 Subject: Re: (Fac33) I always thought... >> http://slashmc.rice.edu/ceremnony/electronic/elec_lyrics/forbidden.html > Minor correction. This should be "ceremony" ;). >There are a few mistakes in the lyrics to Forbidden City. I won't brother >with the little things but the big one is the line: > "You tore me apart" >which is actually: > "You told me your heart" I always thought it was "You tore me apart"... Oh well, what is it then? Baritalia ------------------------------ From: richard@musicians-net.co.uk (Richard Fairhurst) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:28:39 +0200 Subject: Re: (Fac33) NO t-shirts I picked up a Run 2 T-shirt in the bargain bin of a newsagents in Ely, couple of weeks ago, one quid. :-) :-) Similarly a Happy Mondays Stinkin' Thinkin' long-sleeved jobby. Almost makes up for losing my Reading barcode T-shirt (that were a great one, that) and having a washing machine accident with my Ruined In A Day one. :-( - -- Richard Fairhurst "There's no heart you can't melt with a sudden little smile" ------------------------------ From: srance@patrol.i-way.co.uk Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 10:37:43 gmt Subject: Re: (Fac33) I always thought... > >>There are a few mistakes in the lyrics to Forbidden City. I won't brother >>with the little things but the big one is the line: >> "You tore me apart" >>which is actually: >> "You told me your heart" > > I always thought it was "You tore me apart"... > >Oh well, what is it then? > >Baritalia > Of COURSE its "You tore me apart" Are you people DEAF or something, or maybe the US version is different! - ------------------------------------- Name: simon rance E-mail: srance@patrol.i-way.co.uk Date: 07/09/96 Time: 10:37:43 This message was sent by a Big Chameleon And remember... Many's a Mickle makes a Muckle! - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: BarItalia@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:11:38 -0400 Subject: Re: (Fac33) I always thought... ...Of COURSE its "You tore me apart" Are you people DEAF or something, or maybe the US version is different!... Yes, thank you. How else could the line "Now i've got to suffer" follow? Ta! BarItalia ------------------------------ From: Ian Tomey Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:36:06 +0100 Subject: (Fac33) Savillewatch & RtP Peter Saville and Idea are working on Suede's new single called Trash I = think. As for RtP, err, I don't think it's very good. Quite disappointed in = fact. Do ya think Barney has run out of lyrics? Nothing like anything on = Republic even. Maybe I don't like the music just because I am listening = to this on my PC CD player.. But that doesn't affect the lyrics. Some of = these make 'From my head to my toes, through my teeth through my nose' = seem good. "If You've got Love" is very Mr Bartos... sounds like a parody of the = entire 'Esperanto' album by Electrik Music - which he was in So far the only one I think I kind of like (musically) is Freefall. = Other than that I think the best thing they have done is the track 3 on = the single (the prozak jobby). This album sounds to smooth in production for a weak voice like our Mr = Sumners methinks... It works in New Order because there is so much going = on around it... Ian. ------------------------------ From: Me Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:13:16 -0400 Subject: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure Got my copy at Border's Books & Music Pentagon City on the outskirts of Washington D.C. I'd have to say, somewhat of a disappointment. I didn't have any real opinions before listening to it, but now I feel Barney & Johnny could've done better. Sort of a letdown, my favorite track would have to be forbidden city though. Anybody have any idea who wrote inside of the cover and what the hell it means? Hopefully the album will grow on me but I think its pretty generic stuff. I like the guitar sounds better than the other stuff, Denise Johnson's vocals can be annoying at times though... ------------------------------ From: Erik Jantzen Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 13:44:25 -0400 Subject: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure and Drugs Hey everyone, I've heard a lot about the new electronic not being up to the standards we expect; I've had it since June (pre-release) and it does grow on you. Anyhow, If you looking for the old sound of Bernard, Send him some MDMA or some LSD, get him high... he'll sound fantastic! Maybe we'll get a really good album! Anyhow, I think the album is pretty good... Prozac is a waste.... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- Erik Jantzen Microcomputer Support Analyst Pace University Libraries (914) 773-3383 phone (914) 773-3508 fax jantzen@library.pace.edu email http://library.pace.edu/~jantzen ------------------------------ From: srance@patrol.i-way.co.uk Date: Tue, 9 Jul 96 21:28:26 gmt Subject: Re: (Fac33) NO t-shirts I've got this cool New Order football shirt that came out around the same time as "World In Motion". Its very similar to A Rugby shirt with an embroidered New Order Badge. Its brillinat but is was very expensive (£40) They might still be available, Try Rock It Promotions in the UK (where I got it from) I also have to say that after listening to Raise The Pressure for two days it is starting to be a grower. Its a great album, just very different from what we all expected. Regards, Simon - ------------------------------------- Name: simon rance E-mail: srance@patrol.i-way.co.uk Date: 07/09/96 Time: 21:28:26 This message was sent by a Big Chameleon And remember... Many's a Mickle makes a Muckle! - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: John Nguyen Van Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure Just picked up the new album as well today. Fave tracks by far are Forbidden City and For You. Great Beatlesy guitar on the latter, does anyone agree? Marr can still write a memorable hookline. Damn shame that he's not really heard on the rest of the tracks! jv ------------------------------ From: Julian Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:59:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: (Fac33) Manchester A little advice from our friends in the UK if you please. I'm going back to England at the end of July/begining of August, and I was wondering if there were any NO-related sights to see while I was there. Obviously I'll hit the Hacienda (what's a good night by the way), but any info that anyone who has spent time in Manchester would like to throw my way would be appreciated. Thanks Julian jsenior@indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: claw@spacsun.rice.edu (Colin Law) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:51:10 -0700 Subject: (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US hello all, thought I'd pass it on that I was able to pick up both the Forbidden City single and Raise The Pressure today here in Houston. colin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Colin Law | claw@spacsun.rice.edu | "They say that dreams always end" http://slashmc.rice.edu/ | - Ian Curtis Dept of Space Physics | "Dreams never end..." Rice University | - New Order 713-527-8750 x3531 | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Matthew Bruns Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Colin Law wrote: > thought I'd pass it on that I was able to pick up both the Forbidden City > single and Raise The Pressure today here in Houston. That's a _US_ pressing of Forbidden City, not just a UK import? What're the tracks? Any (puh-leeze) remixes? ------------------------------ From: MBEaddy@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 00:15:24 -0400 Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic single and album released in US is there a b-side on the single? I listened to the CD for the first time today, and i think it's pretty good. --Need to get used to that background singer though :) Later Moe ------------------------------ From: Matthew James Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (Fac33) forbidden city Well, I think I got the 1 and only coy of the Forbidden City single in all of Baltimore when the single came out. My friend said he looked everywhere. This single only came out in import as far as I can tell and it was $10. I called the record store today and they said they had 9 copies of the domestic album alone but I was unable to get it today. I think I'll pick it up tomorrow! Matt - -- - ----------------------Bill Nye, the Science Guy!------------------------ Matt James polk@tmbg.org Matt.James.K.Polk@tmbg.org |TMBG|Sleeper "EIREANN GO BRATH!"|Menswe@r|Echobelly| The Ocean Blue|The Beatles|XTC Judybats|Robyn Hitchcock|Cause & Effect| "Hail to the king, baby"-Ash Pogues|Erasure|Warsaw-JoyDivision-NewOrder|Elastica|Blur|Suede|Pulp Smiths|Revenge|Other Two|Moxy Fruvous|Lightning Seeds|SPOCK|Supergrass - -------The poor remain poor. Someone has to work at Woolworths.--------- ------------------------------ From: Ian Tomey Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:46:00 +0100 Subject: RE: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure - inside cover stuff - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB6E44.9B31BC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody have any idea who wrote inside of the cover and what the hell it means? =20 Well, it says thanks to Jon Savage, who is a writer ( the guy with the = very british accent in the New Order Story video ). So that is who it = could be. But judging by the level of garbage it seems to spout you = cannot rule out Paul Morley (ex NME) - ---------- From: Me[SMTP:dinh@vt.edu] Sent: 09 July 1996 18:13 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) Raise the Pressure Got my copy at Border's Books & Music Pentagon City on the outskirts of Washington D.C. I'd have to say, somewhat of a disappointment. I = didn't have any real opinions before listening to it, but now I feel Barney & Johnny could've done better. Sort of a letdown, my favorite track would have to be forbidden city though. Hopefully the album will grow on me but I think its pretty generic stuff. 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I mya have time to venture out today and get the album. ([-| F Alex Murphy http://www.wam.umd.edu/~robocop University of Maryland at College Park On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Matthew James wrote: > Well, I think I got the 1 and only coy of the Forbidden City single in all of > Baltimore when the single came out. My friend said he looked everywhere. This > single only came out in import as far as I can tell and it was $10. > I called the record store today and they said they had 9 copies of the domestic > album alone but I was unable to get it today. I think I'll pick it up tomorrow! > Matt > -- > ----------------------Bill Nye, the Science Guy!------------------------ > Matt James polk@tmbg.org Matt.James.K.Polk@tmbg.org |TMBG|Sleeper > "EIREANN GO BRATH!"|Menswe@r|Echobelly| The Ocean Blue|The Beatles|XTC > Judybats|Robyn Hitchcock|Cause & Effect| "Hail to the king, baby"-Ash > Pogues|Erasure|Warsaw-JoyDivision-NewOrder|Elastica|Blur|Suede|Pulp > Smiths|Revenge|Other Two|Moxy Fruvous|Lightning Seeds|SPOCK|Supergrass > -------The poor remain poor. Someone has to work at Woolworths.--------- > ------------------------------ From: Cory Muzyka Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? Does anyone have any ideas as to what the next single will be off of "Raise the Pressure"? I think it should be "How long", as it is really a perfect pop song. Either that one, or "Dark angel" - that break is just to DIE for. Anyone with any info please let me know. ...c - -- Cory Muzyka (corym@zadall.com) Zadall Systems Group Vancouver, BC, Canada "If I had the sense to leave here tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother to say goodbye. -- Electronic "Forbidden City". ------------------------------ From: Erik Jantzen Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:37:42 -0400 Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? At 10:54 AM 7/10/96 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have any ideas as to what the next single will be off of "Raise >the Pressure"? I think it should be "How long", as it is really a perfect >pop song. Either that one, or "Dark angel" - that break is just to DIE for. > >Anyone with any info please let me know. Back in Feb, i heard that next single (before it was renamed) -- Celbrate our love. It should have some really good remixs on it... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- Erik Jantzen Microcomputer Support Analyst Pace University Libraries (914) 773-3383 phone (914) 773-3508 fax jantzen@library.pace.edu email http://library.pace.edu/~jantzen ------------------------------ From: Julian Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:57:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (Fac33) forbidden city Ouch Anyone out there interested in a scathing review of the new album feel free to pick up this month's details. Rating: 4 out of 10. "...boy, does this record drag. It sounds like the work of men who haven't heard any new music in years,...El E Electronic [as opposed to New Order and the Smiths] sound frightened of their own shadows." - --Julian ------------------------------ From: Cory Muzyka Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? >Back in Feb, i heard that next single (before it was renamed) -- Celbrate >our love. >It should have some really good remixs on it... Thanks for the info - that song is now called "Until the end of time". Not a bad choice, but certainly not the best song on the album by far. ...c - -- Cory Muzyka (corym@zadall.com) Zadall Systems Group Vancouver, BC, Canada "If I had the sense to leave here tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother to say goodbye. -- Electronic "Forbidden City". ------------------------------ From: James Shum Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:18:40 -0400 Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic - what's the next single? At 10:54 07/10/96 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have any ideas as to what the next single will be off of "Raise >the Pressure"? I think it should be "How long", as it is really a perfect >pop song. Either that one, or "Dark angel" - that break is just to DIE for. > >Anyone with any info please let me know. There was word before the album was out that it would be "Celebrate Our Love". But those of us with the album know there is no such track. However "Until The End of Time" has those very words sung throughout it. So it seems likely that will the next single. _____________________________ " ... i threw bitter tears at the ocean ... ... but all that came back was the tide ... " SMcL jshum@io.org ** The X-Files & NewOrder @ http://www.io.org/~jshum/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6050/ ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V96 #42 ******************************