From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest Subject: ceremony-digest V98 #27 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing, back issues, + and a link to New Order FAQ '96. + See the end of the digest for information. ------- ceremony-digest Saturday, February 21 1998 Volume 98 : Number 027 (Fac33) World cup song. Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God (Fac33) World in Motion 2 (Fac33) Factory Box Set "Palatine" Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 (Fac33) Electronic/ New Order Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God (Fac33) Re: Truth on Curtis's Death?? Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 (Fac33) newOrder story (Fac33) Vanishing Point re-mix? (Fac33) Blue Monday background Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 (Fac33) Touching from a Distance Re: (Fac33) newOrder story Re: (Fac33) Blue Monday background Re: (Fac33) Electronic/ New Order (Fac33) Random babbling Re: (Fac33) Random babbling Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 Re: (Fac33) Random babbling (Fac33) Test Message!Sorry! (Fac33) serious babbling Re: (Fac33) re worst 5 songs Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God Re: (Fac33) Blue Monday background Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 (Fac33) JOY DIVISION BOOK WITH LYRICS. RE: (Fac33) Factory Box Set "Palatine" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:39:59 +0100 From: "German Bold Italic" Subject: (Fac33) World cup song. Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME. - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BD3E48.17C51000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 Just read it once again from this week's french magazine "les = inrockuptibles" : =20 NewOrder are hoping to be chosen among a list of brit groups for the = British world cup song... The list includes : =20 Echo&TheBunnymen Pulp Oasis NewOrder The Lightning Seeds And some other group i can't recall the name at this time. =20 The british football federation wouldn't exclude the fact they may choose a "crooner" like Cliff Richard or Rod Stewart...=20 =20 Pah ! =20 I wouldn't like NewOrder to come back w/ a football song anyway. =20 Also : I just came back from a college party last night where they had = loads of posters to promote the party, and scanned on them was... a Revenge girl, Joanne, = as on the OneTruePassion sleeve. I chatted with the guy in charge of the poster, and apparently he didn't = know anything about it. He scanned it from a postcard. So does a postcard = with a revenge girl exist ? ;-)=20 Antoine. =20 PS nice 1993 pic in les inrockuptibles. The title of the small framed = article was called "super phoenix" in reference to the nuclear powerplant "super phenix" in France which = closure is being discussed...=20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BD3E48.17C51000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

Just read it once again = from this=20 week's french magazine "les inrockuptibles" :

NewOrder are hoping to = be chosen=20 among a list of brit groups for the British world cup = song...

The list includes = :

Echo&TheBunnymen

Pulp

Oasis

NewOrder

The Lightning = Seeds

And some other group i = can't recall=20 the name at this time.

The british football federation = wouldn't exclude=20 the fact they may

choose a "crooner" like Cliff = Richard or=20 Rod Stewart...

Pah !

I wouldn't like NewOrder to come back = w/ a football=20 song anyway.

Also : I just came back = from a=20 college party last night where they had loads of posters

to promote the party, and scanned on = them was... a=20 Revenge girl, Joanne, as on the

OneTruePassion sleeve.

I chatted with the guy in charge of the = poster, and=20 apparently he didn't know

anything about it. He scanned it from a = postcard.=20 So does a postcard with a revenge girl exist ? ;-)

Antoine.

PS nice 1993 pic in les inrockuptibles. = The title=20 of the small framed article was called "super = phoenix"

in reference to the nuclear powerplant = "super phenix" in France which closure = is=20 being discussed...

- ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BD3E48.17C51000-- - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:01:59 -0800 From: km@corp.home.net (Kevin Mulvihill) Subject: Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God Are you sure that you're not just "getting away with it?" ;) Carrie Richter wrote: > > > > >and the worst 5 NO songs? easy.. Vicious Circle, MTO, Ecstasy, Best & > >March and most things off Movement.. > > > >bye for now > > > >M > >-- > >Mark Reed > > > > Ooh, better not express your opinion here! Someone will charge you w/ > "NOT GETTING IT", and that would just be horrible. > > I'm sorry I am being so sarcastic, but the only reason I'm not totally > flaming those messages about "getting it" is because I don't want to get > flamed myself. I will, however, say this--those are some of the most > arrogant, snobbish things I have ever read. Sorry I'm not worthy and > don't exactly "GET IT", but following and loving EVERY SINGLE THING that > a band does is obsession, and that's crazy. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! - -- Kevin Mulvihill Manager, @Work Sales @Work Internet 888.344.4663 x5265 - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: Randy Subject: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 Please say they are not doing another World cup song.... I hate world in motion.. It was ok for a while but It is a crappy pop happy song.. I mean it was a good anthem but it isn't new order.. The music was crap.. ANd for those that don't have 140 min STory .. Stephen Hague supposedly wrote most of the song.. SO if Peter hook or Bernard is on the list secrectly reading. Follow your own song .. the B-side To Fine Time AND DON'T DO IT - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:17:47 -0700 From: nelson walker Subject: (Fac33) Factory Box Set "Palatine" Hello loyal fans! I just wanted to ask the board if anyone has "Palatine" the Factory Box set. I got a copy in 1991 when it came out. It is a collection of the best bands that have recorede with Factory Records. It has four discs that are catagorized by the dates the songs were recorded. Does anyone know the value of the set? The set also has a complete listing of Fac ID #'s, from fac 1 to fac 300..somthing. If anyone has anything they would like to share please mail me. I have never seen Palatine anywhere else! - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:37:01 -0600 From: John Van Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 I thought World in Motion was a left-over track that Steve and Gillian had done... I have an old issue of Select saying that Tony Wilson came knocking and asked, have yer got a tune ready yet?? - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:01:23 -0800 From: "John A. Frye" Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 > I thought World in Motion was a left-over track that Steve > and Gillian had done... I have an old issue of Select saying > that Tony Wilson came knocking and asked, have yer got a tune > ready yet?? I have never heard this. However, if you know anything about music, or just have a good ear, listen to the chord progressions, key, and structure of World in Motion compared to TheOtherTwo's Selfish... hmmm... - -john frye - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:00:49 -0800 From: JRenfr@mtccnet.com (Jeff Renfrow) Subject: (Fac33) Electronic/ New Order Didn't someone say that Electronic was currently working on an album right now? well, I have an interview saying they'd tour to promote thier next album.......so if this is true then how both Electronic be doing a new album while New Order is supposedly gearing up for some new songs as well. Bernard would really have his hands full. -jeff - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:05:11 EST From: Microtock@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God yeah maybe it is an obsession, so what? to each his (and her) own i always say. ambrose - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:00:06 -0600 From: dave2@i1.net (Catherine David) Subject: (Fac33) Re: Truth on Curtis's Death?? In response to Randy's question: The story about Ian Curtis and the block of ice is no more than a lurid rumor. According to the book _Touching from a Distance_ (written by Deborah Curtis, Ian's widow), he hanged himself from an old clothes rack in their kitchen. If you're interested in ordering the book, it was published in 1995 by Faber and Faber, ISBN 0-571-17445-0. I'm fairly sure it's in print in the U.S., but if not you can order it from overseas at http://www.bookpages.co.uk. Cathy David dave2@i1.net - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: rdawson@vt.edu (bob dawson) Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 At 5:07 PM 20/02/98, Randy wrote: >Please say they are not doing another World cup song.... > >I hate world in motion.. It was ok for a while but It is a crappy pop happy >song.. I mean it was a good anthem but it isn't new order.. The music was >crap.. > >ANd for those that don't have 140 min STory .. Stephen Hague supposedly >wrote most of the song.. > I am pretty sure it was Stephen *Morris* that wrote the song, was it not? bob, who quite likes the song Just call me Economist Spice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Dawson | "Dancing with someone...It's real special if Dept. of Ag. & Applied Econ | you can move to the same rhythm as someone else. Virginia Tech | You're sharing something...sharing a step, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0401 | or a beat, or a break, or a heartbeat." Phone (540) 231-6399 | ---Wingnut *some say it's the music* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:15:00 -0500 From: "Kevin Chen" Subject: (Fac33) newOrder story i've just been watching my newOrder video and a couple of comments stood out: 1. that ian curtis pushed for joy division to use synths by bringing in kraftwerk lps and playing them in the studio 2. bono saying that joy division were the "father" of what was to become "goth" i also remember a reference to ian having a bit of influence on peter's style of playing high up on the bass (though i can't remember the source). which brings me to the following question: what would have joy division have become if ian had lived? would they have been seduced by the "dark side" and followed the path to goth or would their music evolved in the same way as it did without him? obviously movement had a dark, moody atmosphere to it and was very "joy division-ish". but even in their later work, while the music was less gloomy, the lyrics often had a dark undertone to them ("this is a song about an innocent who died at the hands of a desperate man" - all day long, "wake up every day that would be a start, i would not complain about my wounded heart" - regret). my non-newOrder friends always joked that newOrder was music "to die to". food for thought kevin - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:04:40 -0500 From: Wayne Snell Subject: (Fac33) Vanishing Point re-mix? Was there ever a re-mix or extended version of Vanishing Point? I know there's an instrumental version, but I was wondering if this song had been re-mixed; it just seems like a perfect song to be altered and "dance-ified". - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:09:00 -0500 From: Wayne Snell Subject: (Fac33) Blue Monday background Is there a version of Blue Monday with no vocals? I'm wondering how re-mixes like the Dance Music Club Mix and Re-Ordered were created. I'd like to make my own version using the instrumentation used on the original Blue Monday. Wayne - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:44:33 -0500 From: "Kevin Chen" Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 > >ANd for those that don't have 140 min STory .. Stephen Hague supposedly > >wrote most of the song.. > I am pretty sure it was Stephen *Morris* that wrote the song, was it not? > during the "quiz" show segment before WIM on the newOrder story, the question was "who wrote most of the lyrics" and barney answered with what sounded like "stephen hague". at first i thought he was saying "stephen eh" (like a canadian) which i had interpreted as being written by stephen morris. on the single the credits state: written by newOrder and keith allen. and pruduced by stephen hauge. kevin - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:23:54 -0500 From: "Kevin Chen" Subject: (Fac33) Touching from a Distance > The story about Ian Curtis and the block of ice is no more than a lurid > rumor. According to the book _Touching from a Distance_ (written by Deborah > Curtis, Ian's widow), he hanged himself from an old clothes rack in their > kitchen. > > If you're interested in ordering the book, it was published in 1995 by > Faber and Faber, ISBN 0-571-17445-0. I'm fairly sure it's in print in the > U.S., but if not you can order it from overseas at > http://www.bookpages.co.uk. > there are also references to the following books: New Order Joy Division: Dreams Never End by Claude Flowers, Chris Charlesworth (Oct 97) From Joy Division to New Order: the Factory Story by Mick Middles (Sept 96) any body have any comments about these books? kevin - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:10:39 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) newOrder story >which brings me to the following question: what would have joy division >have become if ian had lived? would they have been seduced by the "dark >side" and followed the path to goth or would their music evolved in the >same way as it did without him? Bernard has said Ian was planning on leaving the band because of his illness, so there would not have been much JD after Closer... but it is fun to speculate anyways. In my opinion... The music would have evolved about the same way... they were moving in unison, so the difference would have been the lyrics, for the most part. Some better songs perhaps, in having Ian's input, which was imperative in JD, though he did not write songs, he had a lot of ideas. The darkness (or whatever) of U.P. and Closer has nothing to do with the sound later. Good examples are Bauhaus, and even better And Also The Trees, where the lyrics are as romantic (especially with &ATT) yet the music did not remain so. People grow order and experiences change... no reason to think that Ian could have been different, in light of his sense of humor. So, I think that the fact that Closer froze a sound forever, it does not mean that they would have become yet another Christian Death or any of the many gothic bands of the last few years. One other factor that would have influenced the sound could have been Ian's vocal range and what songs would be good for him to sing, so perhaps there would be no World, but Regret and others would be easy to see. fernando PS In regards to the not getting it part... I think a lot of it could have been avoided if people actually comment on why they do not like a song. Listing songs invites a wider range of comments (or flames) than a couple of sentences presenting a point of view... e.g. 'Time Changes -- because of the unnecessary rap' - -*- ~*~ -*- "Blurred hurried bliss, and the smell of space, vanish through fires. Oh save me from the softness of your skin, I can see you in the millpond years quietly singing" __________________________________'The Millpond Years' : And Also The Trees - -*- ~*~ -*- - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:11:00 -0500 From: "Kevin Chen" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Blue Monday background > Is there a version of Blue Monday with no vocals? I'm > wondering how re-mixes like the Dance Music Club Mix and Re-Ordered were > created. I'd like to make my own version using the instrumentation > used on the original Blue Monday. i've always considered "the beach" as the dub version of Blue Monday. kevin - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:15:44 -0500 From: "Kevin Chen" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Electronic/ New Order > Didn't someone say that Electronic was currently working on an > album right now? well, I have an interview saying they'd tour to > promote thier next album.......so if this is true then how both > Electronic > be doing a new album while New Order is supposedly gearing up > for some new songs as well. Bernard would really have his hands full. here's a thought: a newOrder tour with Electronic and Monaco as the opening acts!! wouldn't that be a sight to see! Kevin - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:06:35 +0000 From: Fred Subject: (Fac33) Random babbling > here's a thought: > a newOrder tour with Electronic and Monaco as the opening acts!! wouldn't that be a sight to see! > How about Potts and Marr just join NewOrder then they and we all live happily ever after??? (BTW I'm just kidding) And then there was this talk about what Joy Div would sound like today...does anyone ever think how NewOrder could have sounded if they never did these side projects...nothing against Elec, Rev, Mon and the Oth2 (I love them all so no flames), but I've always felt Technique was NOs finest effort and to have nothing else recorded around that time has always dissappointed me. It doesn't take too much effort to imagine Hooky's bass with some of those Elec tracks. If it means they're getting along better now, then I'm glad they took a break, but I can wonder can't I??? Lates M@thew in SD - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:45:51 -0700 From: "Bill C." Subject: Re: (Fac33) Random babbling That is an intresting question, i wonder how much "influence" would also come to new order's new works from their side projects. As for technique, i agree it is a great peice of work, i don;t know why, but for some reason i feel a bit of latin influences on some of the songs from technique. As for republic, it's my least favorate album, i can't expain why, but it dosent sound like "new order", almost as if they were just pushing out the album to fill the contract with london, it didnt seem like alot of the group's feel and soul went into the majority of the songs on Republic. Don't get me wrong, i love it non the less, because it's new order, thats that my thoughts and endless blabberings.. cheers Bill - ---------- > From: Fred > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) Random babbling > Date: Friday, February 20, 1998 4:06 PM > > > here's a thought: > > a newOrder tour with Electronic and Monaco as the opening acts!! wouldn't that be a sight to see! > > > > How about Potts and Marr just join NewOrder then they and we all live > happily ever after??? (BTW I'm just kidding) > > And then there was this talk about what Joy Div would sound like > today...does anyone ever think how NewOrder could have sounded if they > never did these side projects...nothing against Elec, Rev, Mon and the > Oth2 (I love them all so no flames), but I've always felt Technique was > NOs finest effort and to have nothing else recorded around that time has > always dissappointed me. It doesn't take too much effort to imagine > Hooky's bass with some of those Elec tracks. > > If it means they're getting along better now, then I'm glad they took a > break, but I can wonder can't I??? > > Lates > M@thew in SD > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:27:22 -0000 From: Catch-It Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 > during the "quiz" show segment before WIM on the newOrder story, the >question was "who wrote most of the lyrics" and barney Hooky, I thought >wot pedantic git< Keith Allen is the guy asking the question on the video (if you didn't know) and he is trying to get them to say him.. >on the single the credits state: written by newOrder and keith allen. and >pruduced by stephen hauge. there ya go! - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:31:41 -0000 From: Catch-It Subject: Re: (Fac33) Random babbling > i can't expain why, but it >dosent sound like "new order", almost as if they were just pushing out the >album to fill the contract with london Republic was either complete or almost complete before they signed to London. Regards Catchy. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:25:47 -0000 From: "Anthony Glampson" Subject: (Fac33) Test Message!Sorry! Hi Everyone Everywhere, Sorry about this message. I have had a lot of trouble with my ISP. Something to do with bandwidth. Just Checking if my emails can reach the list again. Best Wishes, anthony@ducie.force9.co.uk - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:46:22 -0800 From: trancemission@juno.com (chris m mingo) Subject: (Fac33) serious babbling here is some random babbling for you - regarding Republic sort of... sometime in the late '80's I had a conversation with someone about dance music. I mentioned how i felt New Order had greatly influenced dance music. she replied with "Well I'm a dancer and I've never heard of them". Well, she was a proffesional dancer, but she danced to Paula Abdul and anything from that Jackson family. Well now, when Republic came out, this person, (as well as others like her) acted as if they had just discovered some new hot band. I find it very interesting that several well established bands as well as styles of music are overlooked. (at least in the U.S. anyway) When I first heard New Order in the early '80's, i hate to sound cheesey, but they had such a profound effect on me that i feel they are a main reason why i got into the music biz in the first place. Anyway, we all discover certain things at certain times. Some of us hate Republic and love Movement and vice versa. No matter what you like, i believe that in order to better understand something, no matter what the subject, you must look at the whole picture. It's all relevant. Each one of you have probably gone through several changes in the past years - yet every experience has made you who you are today. The same can hold true for any entity, such as New Order. Especially since they have had such a long history compared with many bands. Okay, i promise i won't write any more strange messages again- at least for awhile anyway. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:14:17 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (Fac33) re worst 5 songs >i haven't seen confusion on anybody's list yet sure I'll spring to it's defence, it's an obvious Kraftwerk pastiche and the Kraftwerk list had a big debate about it a few months ago. "we're not splitting up" - -- Mark Reed - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:18:23 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (Fac33) Touched by the Hand of God > And Mark is probably the fan of the post-movement-era-newOrder. That's >nothing wrong....and NO ONE is flaming him for not liking Movement. > BUT Movement is the transition album for newOrder adapting and >struggling >from the remains of Joy Division. I. and most of the members will agree, >didn't CHARGE at Mark for being tastless or "not getting it". But i just >want Mark to realise the significance of that album, Movement. Oops. Well most of the songs, Doubts Even here, Dreams Never End, etc.. are brilliant the mixing and production by Martin is dense and the vocals indistinct. The Peel Session versions show how good an album it could've been. But I think it is the worst album they have made right since UP all the way through to "Music For Pleasure". Now anybody know anything about the Other Two's "Innocence" 12". I only just got a copy and it's existence has been a total mystery to me.. Or any details on the "Love Dance" demo I have it, but know nothing else about it.. - -- Mark Reed - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:31:02 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (Fac33) Blue Monday background In message <34EE535C.448E6EEB@netcom.ca>, Wayne Snell writes > Is there a version of Blue Monday with no vocals? Try The Beach or Beach Buggy. I know it sounds obvious but... By the way the "Brain" mix of BM'95 features the Sunkist vocals sampled from the Documentary... - -- Mark Reed - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:28:13 +0000 From: Mark Reed Subject: Re: (Fac33) World in Motion 2 An early instrumental version fo what was to become "World In motion" was used from September 1989 by BBC2 to act as theme music for their 'yoof' TV show "Reportage". It was written by Gillian and Stepehen. When Janet Street Porter met Barney she said "thanks for the theme tune" and he said "what do you mean?" so it's fair to asssume it's an Other Two track that was revamped. Apparently Peter couldn't hear his bass over Ians vocals in the shitty reherasal room so he tuned is amp up and created his 'sound'. Bye again.. - -- Mark Reed - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:05:06 +0100 From: "German Bold Italic" Subject: (Fac33) JOY DIVISION BOOK WITH LYRICS. I've seen loads of Joy division booklets with lyrics + cd in Fnac shops in France. these are italian books with lyrics in english + cd with you're no good for me / incubation & others. Don't know if it's a rerelease, but those who are interested can mail mez back. the price is about... 20$. ANTOINE. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:13:39 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Factory Box Set "Palatine" >know the value of the set? The set also has a complete listing of Fac ID >#'s, from fac 1 to fac 300..somthing. If anyone has anything they would >like to share please mail me. I have never seen Palatine anywhere else! Check out the excellent Factory discography @ http://www.niagara.edu/Factory T. > - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + For help, see the web page, or email "help" to . + To talk to a person, send mail to . + Do _not_ send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list! ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V98 #27 ****************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + Or, send e-mail to with the text + "info ceremony-digest" in the body of the message + A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available. + To talk to a person, send mail to .