From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest Subject: ceremony-digest V98 #37 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Monday, March 2 1998 Volume 98 : Number 037 (Fac33) Re: topics for discussion Re: (Fac33) Kraftwerk (Fac33) Electronic Bsides CD (Fac33) Kraftwerk (Fac33) Topics for discussion... (Fac33) re: A new question and Kraftwerk.... Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 Re: (Fac33) re: 123 Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... (Fac33) first NO album (Fac33) 5-8-6 (Fac33) list (Fac33) first/best ceremony@monkey.org Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 Re: (Fac33) re: A new question and Kraftwerk.... Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 Re: (Fac33) list Re: (Fac33) list (Fac33) Pasadena record fair..and some new finds....(don't read if you aren't interested) (Fac33) JD: substance the videos 1978-1988 Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 (Fac33) MP3 Mac and Electronic Videos Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 Re: (Fac33) Kraftwerk (Fac33) A Couple of things.... (Fac33) Topic for discussion (Fac33) Does anyone know? (Fac33) Topics For Discussion... RE: (Fac33) Kraftwerk Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:25:37 -0600 (CST) From: rproy@cc.UManitoba.CA (Robert P. Roy) Subject: (Fac33) Re: topics for discussion Hmmm... I will be really dating myself with this one.... 1. First LP: Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack) 2. First NO: Substance (cassette) 3. Favorite NO: Technique Also: First CD I ever bought: NO - Substance (bought it the day I got my first CD player, to replace my worn-out tape. :-) Last week, people were talking about 5 least favorite NO tunes. I was shocked by how many of my favorites kept appearing, like Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us, As It Was, etc. For me, those are some of their best. I for one can only think of 3 that I consistently skip over: 1. World In Motion 2. Confusion 3. Fine Time But I have to admit that #1 is the only one I really don't like at all. I am really excited about the prospect of NO getting back together and recording more songs together. Still can't believe it's true. For those of us from North America planning to come over in July, where exactly is the Phoenix Festival? Any suggestions on where to stay, etc.? Rob - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:29:31 EST From: FObertopp Subject: Re: (Fac33) Kraftwerk In einer eMail vom 28.02.1998 21:23:42, schreiben Sie: > Also....this is the only > Kraftwerk i ever heard..mebbe there other stuff is good. >> I would >> actually declare the members of Kraftwerk as geniuses - the way they >> strip down the music and the lyrics to create simplistic (I would rath= er >> say minimalistic) masterpieces. Yes, absolutely right ! >> Two very good albums by Kraftwerk are The Man Machine (with The Model >> and Space Lab) and Radio Activity (with the beautiful title song). Yes, but my :-) favorite Kraftwerk-album is "Trans Europa Express" This record has such a fascinating atmosphere. Here too you=B4ll hear lot=B4s of sounds, which have influenced Barney and Co. (and not only the= m) T.E.E. is a must for everybody who=B4s interested in electronic music, in my opinion, of course. frank=0A - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 10:42:27 EST From: BongDM Subject: (Fac33) Electronic Bsides CD Well, one of the two people that I reserved the Electronic Bsides CD has decided to back out, so if there is still anyone out there that wants this CD, please let me know! Rich - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 22:57:10 +0500 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (Fac33) Kraftwerk I agree that listening to Kraftwerk is good for the musically taste palette. Before about a year ago, I liked kraftwerk alot, but mainly as a sort of novelty act. I was into this 80s thing at the time, and that's what I thought they were, just some cheesy band from the 80s that was neat. I owned The Mix and Computer World. Then I got Radioactivity. Amazing. The silly stuff you hear on Computer World was not there. The music from that album is cold, calculating and serious. It is the albums from the 70's you should be listening to, not the "newer" ones. (Computerworld being only 3 albums ago, for KW) I think that Autobahn and Trans Europe Express are considered to be their best. Computerworld was a fairly influential album that set some of the synth-pop styles, but really, Gary Numan did alot of the same stuff already. And remember, '81 is when Movement came out, the same year as Computerworld. Kraftwerk's music from the early years is where the real revolution is. Kraftwerk took the avant-garde sounds of academic Europe and turned them into beautiful, chilling pop tunes. I'm not saying you didn't "get" Kraftwerk before, but rather that the Kraftwerk that you had wasn't as worthy of "getting" as some of the older stuff. Maybe after you hear the 70s releases, you'll have a new spin on Computerworld. I would not recommend getting the Mix, however. The songs are dance mixes from the turn of this decade of kraftwerk songs. They sound dated. As to finding other albums by them, I dunno, I found Radioactivity at my mall, and I've seen Trans Europe Express there, and maybe Autobahn. I don't know where you live, but any of those "MegaStore" things should have alot of kraftwerk stuff. Good luck, Emmett - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:10:39 -0300 (GMT-0300) From: Magrella Subject: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... First Album: Blade Runner First NO Album: Technique Favourite NO Album: Brotherhood & The Best Of - []s Sil (aka Magrella) Silvana Oliveira B. de Castro http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/4816 http://ireland.iol.ie/~featurel/magpge.html sbcastro@elogica.com.br magrella@geocities.com magrella@hotmail.com magrella@mister.ie - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:22:52 -0800 From: "willfred" Subject: (Fac33) re: A new question and Kraftwerk.... Actually, Movement and JD might be more related to Kraftwerk's Ralf and Florian and even possibly Kraftwerk +ACE- and 2. The entire Kraftwerk catalogue is available, but you will have to do some searching. Questions: What was the first JD/NO cd you ever bought? What was the first cd you bought ever? 1 - Unknown Pleasures / Low-Life.......bought 'em both at the same time. 2 - Love and Rockets - Express bill2 - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: rdawson@vt.edu (bob dawson) Subject: Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 At 12:27 AM 01/03/98, jvan@bcm.tmc.edu wrote: >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, viNce wrote: >> There's the same question i asked myself. Anyone has any idea how many >> copies of that CDVs were made? Factory released 3 CDVs....TF, BM88 and Joy >> Division Atmosphere (later pressed).... > > There was also a Durutti Column CDV for When the World. > (I've never heard of an Atmosphere CDV...Whats the FAC #?? > Anyone got a spare copy?) > > These CDVs were pretty plentiful back in '90-'91. Then Factory > folded and thus couldn't re-press anything. Which is why you > see New Order cd-singles from this era (Fine Time , Round & Round, > etc.) sell for so much now. > cdv's were (and are) no longer pressed due to the complete lack of interest in them. I remember seeing a madonna one in Tower one day (must have been 91) and thought, "well that's awfully expensive for something that I can't see." I think the population at large felt the same way. So it didn't have really anything to do with Factory closing. bob "I do not have any special mental abilities." --me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Dawson | "Dancing with someone...It's real special if Dept. of Ag. & Applied Econ | you can move to the same rhythm as someone else. Virginia Tech | You're sharing something...sharing a step, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0401 | or a beat, or a break, or a heartbeat." Phone (540) 231-6399 | ---Wingnut *some say it's the music* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:09:31 +0000 From: Jason Rutten Subject: Re: (Fac33) re: 123 Here goes, close as I can recall... 1. Stevie Wonder - Sir Duke (only a 45, but I blew my allowance on it) 2. Substance (Still my favorite album of all time, bar none) 3. Technique (Mostly because of Run and Vanishing Point) sweetlips - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:37:06 +0000 From: Jason Rutten Subject: Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... About the side project reactions, here are mine: 1. Electronic "Electronic" 2. Monaco "Music for Pleasure" 3. Electronic "Raise the Pressure" 4. The Other Two "...& You" 5. Revenge "One True Passion" Incidently, I read in an interview last year that when asked about Monaco, Barney said he thought Pottsy sounded exactly like him, and that he doesn't know whether to be flattered or mad. Seems to me Barney has a much more interesting voice than Pottsy, but maybe it's too hasty to base that from just one album. Thoughts? sweetlips - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:48:15 -0400 (EDT) From: jekim@Gems.VCU.EDU Subject: (Fac33) first NO album First album: purchased for me as a Xmas present, Michael Jackson's Thriller :), first one I bought for myself, I think was Duran Duran's Seven and the Ragged Tiger First NO album: Best of Favorite NO album: Technique as for B-sides, I love practically all of Electronic's 1st album B-sides, especially Free Will and Second to None. I feel alright is terrific as well. Electronic's 1st album is my favorite NO side project album, and I even love the single Disappointed as well. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:13:09 -0800 From: "Joel & Shawn" Subject: (Fac33) 5-8-6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BD450B.65C359A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi from Seattle, I've been reading this list for a long time now and its about time I get = my two cents in. Its sad that some people feel they need to get into = the "getting it" debate, every one here should be on the same side and = not trying to show up someone who isnt as "into" something as you might = be. Anyway here is my list: 1. ac/dc, For those about to Rock, we Salute You 2. NO, Touched By The Hand Of God/ Temptation/ Confusion, single 3. NO, Lowlife I've also got a question, last week I got the 5-8-6 single. Is there = video on it? I thought I heard there was. =20 Peace Joel Noble, jnoble@telcomplus.com - ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BD450B.65C359A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi from Seattle,
I've been reading this list for a = long time now=20 and its about time I get my two cents in.  Its sad that some people = feel=20 they need to get into the "getting it" debate, every one here = should=20 be on the same side and not trying to show up someone who isnt as=20 "into" something as you might be. Anyway here is my = list:
1. ac/dc, For those about to Rock, = we Salute=20 You
2. NO, Touched By The Hand Of God/ Temptation/ = Confusion,=20 single
3. NO, Lowlife
 
I've also got a question, last week I got the 5-8-6 = single. Is=20 there video on it? I thought I heard there was. 
Peace
Joel Noble, jnoble@telcomplus.com
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BD450B.65C359A0-- - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:42:01 +0000 From: Jason Rutten Subject: (Fac33) list About the side project reactions, here are mine: 1. Electronic "Electronic" 2. Monaco "Music for Pleasure" 3. Electronic "Raise the Pressure" 4. The Other Two "...& You" 5. Revenge "One True Passion" Incidently, I read in an interview last year that when asked about Monaco, Barney said he thought Pottsy sounded exactly like him, and that he doesn't know whether to be flattered or mad. Seems to me Barney has a much more interesting voice than Pottsy, but maybe it's too hasty to base that from just one album. Thoughts? sweetlips - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:44:27 +0000 From: Jason Rutten Subject: (Fac33) first/best ceremony@monkey.org Here goes, close as I can recall... First Album: Stevie Wonder - Sir Duke (only a 45, but I blew my allowance on it) First NO Album: Substance (Still my favorite album of all time, bar none) Favorite NO Album: Technique (Since Substance really can't count here) sweetlips - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:52:38 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 At 05:13p -0800 28.02.98, Fred wrote: >fernando wrote: > Hmmm... BM88 was a little hard to get in the US, but True Faith was >> not. Because the video portion is PAL, very few dealers imported the BM88. > >Isn't PAL a videoTAPE format??? How can a cdv be in PAL format??? >I assumed they would play like a laserdisc. It does play like a laserdisc, but PAL is TV signal format, for which it has a tape available for it. So, there are PAL TV's, VHS, DVD and Laserdiscs. If you insert the UK CDVs into an LD player, you get a notice that it will only plays the audio part. Japanese and US CDVs are the only ones in NTCS (a TV signal format) - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:00:18 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) re: A new question and Kraftwerk.... At 11:22a -0800 01.03.98, willfred wrote: >Actually, Movement and JD might be more related to Kraftwerk's Ralf and >Florian and even possibly Kraftwerk +ACE- and 2. The entire Kraftwerk >catalogue >is available, but you will have to do some searching. Not quite... only the Autobahn and after are available, although Autobahn is out of print in the US, so stores are importing European copies. All the CDs of Tone Float, KW1, KW2 and Ralph and Florian are bootlegs... so your milage will vary. (They are not bad). To find the original vinyls, well, good luck -- if you thought that the TF CDV was tough... (just a bit of melodrama). To me Man Machine is their best, by being the darkest, but TEE definitely comes close. >Questions: What was the first JD/NO cd you ever bought? What was the first >cd you bought ever? Hmmm... what if people started before CDs? =+) fernando - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:55:35 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 At 06:38a -0800 01.03.98, Antoine wrote: >>Isn't PAL a videoTAPE format??? How can a cdv be in PAL format??? >>I assumed they would play like a laserdisc. > > >A Tape is analogic. not digital. So each image is coded on the format chosen >by the manufacturer. Laserdiscs as well as CDVs have an *analog* image, but with digital sound in the last few years. (If you care to know, the image is coded with an FM signal, just as the radio signals.) >It depends on how the image is coded. I think the CDV was PAL because at >that time, I believe >CDV players-decoders turned digital information into analogic for the TV to >display it. Nope... they are PAL because they were made for the UK market. Just that simple. >NTSC stands for "NEVER TWICE the SAME COLOR". Not ;-) or Not This Shitty Crap. >Everything tends to be digital now... Most everything =+) fernando - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:38:35 EST From: ReillySpk Subject: Re: (Fac33) list In a message dated 3/1/98 3:44:51 PM EST, you write: << Barney said he thought Pottsy sounded exactly like him, and that he doesn't know whether to be flattered or mad. Seems to me Barney has a much more interesting voice than Pottsy, but maybe it's too hasty to base that from just one album. >> Actually..i got to agree with Barney on this...some of the times....the first time i heard "what do you want from me" i knew it was Hooky and Pottsy(writing that right now made me think of Happy Days =)" but i couldnt help but say..damn he sounds like Barney. especially with the style of Monaco, which is much more like New Order than Electronic(the first album anyway,,,havent heard Raise the Pressure yet) Some times the vocals sound nothing like Barney...sometimes i wonder whether Hooky and Barney got back together in secret so they wouldnt piss off The Other Two =), Obviously im just kidding with that one. I like Monaco much better than Electronic...not sure why..maybe its cus of the PetShop boy(forgot which one)....my brother pointed out that his addition is really annoying...and i happen to agree...at times it almost feels like a Petshop Boys album...which isnt nesecarrily bad...just that i suppose i expect more from the Barney/Johnny Marr combo. btw...i havent been able to locate anything from The Other Two,,,,unfortunately i go to school in a stupid town where the only three music stores are Coconuts, The Wall and a place called record town..all with too much Celine Dion and Spice girls, where anything like New ORder, The Cure, Joy Division, Monaco, Depeche Mode etc etc etc is $17 or $18(American)... im wondering what there style is like...who does vocals etc etc ~reilly - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Bui Loc <7lb3@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: (Fac33) list Does anyone know who the two voices are, in the Bizzare Love Triangle Video Edit version? ('I refuse to believe in reincarnation..') Loc. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:12:35 -0800 From: viNce Subject: (Fac33) Pasadena record fair..and some new finds....(don't read if you aren't interested) hi everyone, sorry to bore you pple again. a few good finds today at the fair. Yes, I found that angry vendor who has almost all the newOrder boots on LPs. But i didn't buy any, cos his attitude is still quite bad. These are the ones I SAW, but DIDN'T buy. 1) transmission UK 7"s for about $8 each 2) LWTUA UK 7"s for about $6-$7 each 3) temptation UK 7" $8 4) R&R US 12" $6 5) Procession UK 7" Orange $6 I did get some rare stuff...not much though. 1) newOrder Perfect Kiss one track promo video released by qwest. $2 2) same as above, TBTHOG $2 3)same as above, True Faith and BLT $5 4) Joy Division videos Substance (this is boot of collection of JD videos and some promo stuff) $15 5) Procession UK 7" RED!!! yes! 6) Perfect Kiss US 7" with unique pic sleeve. 7) Pumped Full of Drugs CD (i am selling this) Oh yes, did anyone mentioned about Record Collector having a 4-5 page article on Joy Division and the discography? It's the Jan 1998 issue. Sorry if this has been discussed.....but i haven't come across emails from the list. And lastly, someone mentioned about the Goldmine mag mentioning about newOrder reforming. Also, I submitted an article about featuring JD as the feature story Goldmine. Go read it...the editor replied that the "JD story is in the works". thanks for reading. vince - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:18:44 -0800 From: viNce Subject: (Fac33) JD: substance the videos 1978-1988 Ok, i have just finished watching the video. It was supposed to be released by Qwest, but never did. This is what i read from the Factory Discography. But it was listed there as FAC 277, the video has credits as FAC 207. The video also contains some really interesting footages, and notes explaining the video while screening it. There's a LWTUA overdub version. Cos the original recording was really bad...and Ian has to re-record the vocals in the studio. I have also finished watching Perfect Kiss, TF and TBTHOG video promos released by Warner Bros. Both PF and TF have credits info at the end of the videos. The TF one has credits shown on the viewing "thing" that one was featured in the video. Ok, remember the guy who sat on the jumping board, playing with the cube, sphere and pyramid? he has this rectangular viewing screen attached in front of his head. The credits are shown there at the end of the video. As for Perfect Kiss, the credits came up in orange fonts, after Gillain Gilbert left. just want to share some thing interesting.... vince - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:46:34 -0000 From: Catch-It Subject: Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 >Isn't PAL a videoTAPE format??? How can a cdv be in PAL format??? >I assumed they would play like a laserdisc. PAL/NTSC/SECAM are all video formats, nomatter what they meduim are stored on. > funny thing is...LD is NTSC format...somehow that CDV is PAL. And can only >be played on LD player that are PAL format.... Err, nope. LDs are in whatever format they want. We can buy PAL LD players and LDs over here. (nerd note: PAL LDs cannot have Dolby AC3 tracks as there is not enough bandwidth on the system. PAL video is of higher quality that NTSC and thus takes up more space on the disc. The digital surround track cannot be put on. Here in the UK if you want AC3 or DTS you have to buy an NTSC compatible player and then order your discs (personally) from the states as we have this stupid law which stops shops stocking US titles because they have not been issued a british certificate). There probably was a CDV in NTSC format though? These CDVs are probably PAL only because they were released in the UK... Regards Catchy - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:47:29 -0600 From: Scott Krajewski Subject: (Fac33) MP3 Mac and Electronic Videos First off, Mac users check out this site for MP3 player info http://www.raum.com/mpeg/ Secondly, my gawi page has been revamped into an Electronic Classic Video page at http://mps.org/~skrajews/electronic It has videos for Getting Away With It, Get The Message, and Feel Every Beat. I haven't gotten around to posting a note at my old GAWI page -- sorry! As for Kevin's question about combining, in QuickTime for Windows can't you copy/paste the pieces together into a new movie? I honestly haven't tried it on a PC yet. On my Mac that's how I recombine them. If you can't yet, maybe QuickTime 3.0 (which is nearly ready for full release) will allow that. It's supposed to be much better on the PC than the current version. Scott - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel McCarthy Subject: Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... first album: To be brutally honest, Iron Maiden, "Piece of Mind." But if you'll let me forget that little indiscretion, Pet Shop Boys - "Introspective." first NO album: Republic fave NO album: Republic. and Substance _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:54:13 EST From: QueerDream Subject: Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... In a message dated 98-02-28 02:01:21 EST, you write: << 1-The first album that was actually YOURS (not one that belonged to your parents and you claimed as your own) 2-The first New Order album you bought 3-Your favorite New Order album (excluding Substance and Best of...) >> 1- Michael Jackson - Bad 2- Republic 3- Republic - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:47:26 -0600 (CST) From: "jvan@bcm.tmc.edu" Subject: Re: (Fac33) FACDV 183 So can I view my CD-Vs if I use a multi-standard laserdisc player? I'd really like to see these vids from the discs someday... - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:51:12 -0500 From: "JL Jones" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Kraftwerk If you really want to hear the influence of Kraftwerk as it relates to JD/NO, one of the pieces to listen to is "Trans Europe Express"... In addition, they (JD/NO) dont copy Kraftwerk exactly, its more of a thematic kind of feel.. Its like you can listen to tracks like Computer World, Europe Endless and then go back and listen to Confusion, Blue Monday stuff from Power, Corruption and Lies. To me all of these have a similar feel... Besides those, early Depeche also get that similar groove on... Others may have different impressions on this, but I hope you get what i mean.. not trying to compare tracks directly but.... - -----Original Message----- From: ReillySpk To: ceremony@monkey.org Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 2:44 PM Subject: (Fac33) Kraftwerk >before i joined this list...i never heard of Kraftwerk. After hearing about >them on and off for a few months i was considering purchasing an album just >see what they are like. If they influenced Joy Division then i thought...how >bad could they be? >So yesterday i purchased "Computer World". Boy was i suprised. At first..the >first track sounded ok...the music although simplistic(i suppose do to the >'ancient' synths).....then the vocals started..at first i thought it was >german...then i relaized it wasnt...just very heavy german accents...sorta >remined me of Trio....either way...anyone who has considered looking into >Kraftwerk shouldnt. Of course this is my opinion. Also....this is the only >Kraftwerk i ever heard..mebbe there other stuff is good. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:14:18 -0500 From: "JL Jones" Subject: (Fac33) A Couple of things.... 1. Does anybody have the True Faith CDV such that they would want to part with one... I'd really like to get my hands on one.. and am open to whatever someone would want for it, within reason.... 2. Personally I think Daneel was a little hard with the Kraftwerk thing especially when it came to their "The Mix" album... I must be the only person that doesnt care about whether a particular sound sounds "dated" or whatever. I felt that album was a masterful reconstruction/update of some of the tracks that Kraftwerk has done that have had a major influence on popular music in this part of this century.... Besides, if you've heard the remixes of "Radioactivity" and in particular the William Orbit remix, I dont think you'd say that and in '91 when "The Mix" came out, I don't think it was too "dated" then.... And in particular if you listen to "Computer Love" from The Mix I actually think Kraftwerk was paying tribute to New Order, since IMHO it has a groove similar to "Fine Time" Oh well... look what I've done.. running off at the mouth again. sorry everybody.... Jim J. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:57:15 -0600 From: drewc@juno.com Subject: (Fac33) Topic for discussion 1st album owned: Men at Work, Business as Usual (I've still got the original vinyl!) 1st New Order album: Low Life Fav New Order album: Power, Corruption and Lies Anybody else think both The Village and Leave Me Alone are absolutely perfect songs? Leave Me Alone is probably my 2nd all-time favorite NO song (Ceremony no. 1). Drew _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 22:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: "ISAIAS 'AZTLAN' MALDONADO" Subject: (Fac33) Does anyone know? Does anyone the name of the tribute album of Joy Division Thanks - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:25:09 -0500 From: "JL Jones" Subject: (Fac33) Topics For Discussion... First album bought: Kraftwerk - Computer World First New Order Album: Power, Corruption and Lies Fave NO Thats a tough one.. Power.... (but I like them all though!!) Jim J. - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:02:23 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=E4der_Eric?= Subject: RE: (Fac33) Kraftwerk > Sure, the sound sounds cheap > and old but you have to keep in mind that the album was released in > 1981 > when synthesizers were expensive and huge and analog (BTW: they are > now > extremely collectible). Listen to Depeche Mode's Speak And Spell and > you'll hear that this was the sound of the synths at that time. > I'll stick my neck out on this one. If you on the other hand listen to bands like Visage, Ultravox and most of all Yello, from the same time. You'll find that synths definitely didn't have to sound this way. They made sounds (especially Yello who almost always have made theire own sounds and very rarely uses presets even today) that was considered to be way ahead of bands like Kraftwerk or DM at the time. Sure you could say that synths in general sounded this way, but then you would probably be using presets instead of making your own sound. Regards Eric > ---------- > From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn[SMTP:torbjorn.ivarsson@attws.com] > Sent: den 28 februari 1998 21:38 > To: 'ceremony@monkey.org' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Kraftwerk > > >before i joined this list...i never heard of Kraftwerk. After > hearing about > >them on and off for a few months i was considering purchasing an > album just > >see what they are like. If they influenced Joy Division then i > thought...how > >bad could they be? > >So yesterday i purchased "Computer World". Boy was i suprised. At > >first..the > >first track sounded ok...the music although simplistic(i suppose do > to the > >'ancient' synths).....then the vocals started..at first i thought it > was > >german...then i relaized it wasnt...just very heavy german > accents...sorta > >remined me of Trio....either way...anyone who has considered looking > into > >Kraftwerk shouldnt. Of course this is my opinion. Also....this is > the only > >Kraftwerk i ever heard..mebbe there other stuff is good. > My opinion is: anyone considering looking into Kraftwerk should. They > are probably the most influental band in electronic music genre. Some > people even say that they are the first techno group ever, a year or > so > ago I heard Tour De France in a technoclub. Sure, the sound sounds > cheap > and old but you have to keep in mind that the album was released in > 1981 > when synthesizers were expensive and huge and analog (BTW: they are > now > extremely collectible). Listen to Depeche Mode's Speak And Spell and > you'll hear that this was the sound of the synths at that time. I > would > actually declare the members of Kraftwerk as geniuses - the way they > strip down the music and the lyrics to create simplistic (I would > rather > say minimalistic) masterpieces. Simple tunes are usually the best way > to > make a good song, Johnny B Goode is a classic and a very good example > - > two accords. > Two very good albums by Kraftwerk are The Man Machine (with The Model > and Space Lab) and Radio Activity (with the beautiful title song). Of > course they have best of compilation out (The Model - import only?) > but > if you want a little more "modern" sound, try their The Mix - a > compilation released 1991 with re-recorded tracks to make it more > 90's. > > Just a couple of cents, > T. > > > > ------- > + To post to the list, send mail to . > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:30:46 PST From: "Carrie Richter" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Topics for discussion... > >Here's another topic of discussion... to see what elements of NO we all >actually like the most, rank the side projects... > >------- Well, for me, I would have to say my FAVORITE is Electronic, "Electronic", but then, that's the only one I've heard, so I guess that doesn't really count. But, I LOVE the song, "Get the Message"....ohhh yeah! I especially like the part in the middle when Johnny Marr like has that guitar solo. That's the part that gets blasted in my car stereo.....YEAH! "Coolness is really a form of fear covered over with a layer of denial. Creativity demands the courage to be different, to be perceived as uncool." Visit me at http://members.tripod.com/~CarrieAnne/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- + To post to the list, send mail to . + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V98 #37 ****************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .