From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2000 #133 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Thursday, December 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 133 (Fac33) New Order / Joy Division cover versions. Re: (Fac33) OT-Kirsty MacColl "A New England" RE: (Fac33) OT-Kirsty MacColl "A New England" Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... (Fac33) PFD RE: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... RE: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... (Fac33) Electronic Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... Re: (Fac33) PFD Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) (Fac33) NON-LIST: Cheap Accomodation in the United States (NYC, LA, SF) - can anyone help? Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:45:54 -0500 From: "Sebastien Boisvert" Subject: (Fac33) New Order / Joy Division cover versions. > >Does anyone keep a canonical list of all these covers? I'd love to get MP3s of all these different interpretations. > We are keeping such a list, although it's not complete yet, in our FAQ section at www.neworderonline.com . Eventually you will be able to find clips of all these cover versions in our COVERS section of the site, where you can already download Interface's rendition of True Faith, and, of course, we also made available since a while The Cure's cover of Love Will Tear Us Apart and U2's With or WIthout You including the chorus of LWTUA in the song, both in the multimedia / audio section. A lot more to be added very soon. Check them out. S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:59:57 EST From: ElectricMoon@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) OT-Kirsty MacColl "A New England" In a message dated 12/20/00 1:56:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jw@eonsdi.com writes: << I wondered if her life turned out the way she imagined. It just sounded like a nice slice of her life taken at a time when she was still young and optimistic. >> Her lyrics were fantastic, though that particular song was a Billy Bragg cover. - Madeleine :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:33:50 -0800 From: "J.W. Anthony" Subject: RE: (Fac33) OT-Kirsty MacColl "A New England" Well, don't I feel like a moron. Anyway, it was a nice slice of Billy Bragg's life... :) It was still touching for me nonetheless. Later, J.W. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of ElectricMoon@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:00 PM > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Re: (Fac33) OT-Kirsty MacColl "A New England" > > > In a message dated 12/20/00 1:56:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jw@eonsdi.com > writes: > > << I wondered if her life turned out the way she > imagined. It just sounded like a nice slice of her life taken at a time > when she was still young and optimistic. >> > > Her lyrics were fantastic, though that particular song was a Billy Bragg > cover. > > - Madeleine :) > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:26:46 EST From: NewOrder14828829@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... And the New Order content is....???? Great, year-end top 10's......sheeesh >>>>> Hello all, what are your top ten releases for this year... Heres what I've got hammered out so far: Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour of Bewilderbeest Doves - Lost Souls Jurassic 5 - Quality Control Amon Tobin - Supermodified Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Lift Your Skinny Fists Modest Mouse- The Moon and Antarctica Trembling Blue Stars - Broken by Whispers Radiohead -Kid A Sleater-Kinney - All Hands on the Bad One Broadcast - Extended Play 2 Mojave 3 - Excuses for Travellers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:35:26 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... At 05:26 PM 12/20/00 -0500, NewOrder14828829@aol.com wrote: >And the New Order content is....???? Good question... perhaps that person putting on the list is fan? That New Order heavily influenced Trembling Blue Star's Robert Wratten, and perhaps is doing music that is miles away better than New Order? That New Order has not made it onto a Top 10 best list since the list began? Since 1989 perhaps? >Great, year-end top 10's......sheeesh yeah... a nasty habit of some, very egomaniac... stop the spreading now... nothing like giving out information about groups that actually did something this year... - -f. ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:03:10 EST From: BlueFuture@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) PFD Hello, I just got through watching "Pumped full of drugs" (rental) and I would like to know how it compares to other New Order concert videos. This is the only one of the group I've seen. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:06:13 -0000 From: "Michael O'Brien" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... For the millionth time, if it looks like it'll be a non-NO related post then delete it!!! Besides, we've all go a similar taste in music here, no harm in discussing what we think is this years best music. If NewOrder's new album had been out this year it would've been in everyone's list. Miky - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On Behalf Of NewOrder14828829@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:27 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... And the New Order content is....???? Great, year-end top 10's......sheeesh >>>>> Hello all, what are your top ten releases for this year... Heres what I've got hammered out so far: Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour of Bewilderbeest Doves - Lost Souls Jurassic 5 - Quality Control Amon Tobin - Supermodified Godspeed You Black Emperor! - Lift Your Skinny Fists Modest Mouse- The Moon and Antarctica Trembling Blue Stars - Broken by Whispers Radiohead -Kid A Sleater-Kinney - All Hands on the Bad One Broadcast - Extended Play 2 Mojave 3 - Excuses for Travellers - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:06:15 -0000 From: "Michael O'Brien" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... And that's said what I was thinking a million times better than I did Fernando =) Anyone buy Lloyd Cole's new album "The Negatives" yet? Lovely jangly guitars and some nice strings, great production, reminds me a bit of the Smiths at their most tuneful....and substituting the whinging Mozzer for a melancholic Cole of course. I don't think I need state the NO connection here =) Miky - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On Behalf Of fernando Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:35 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... At 05:26 PM 12/20/00 -0500, NewOrder14828829@aol.com wrote: >And the New Order content is....???? Good question... perhaps that person putting on the list is fan? That New Order heavily influenced Trembling Blue Star's Robert Wratten, and perhaps is doing music that is miles away better than New Order? That New Order has not made it onto a Top 10 best list since the list began? Since 1989 perhaps? >Great, year-end top 10's......sheeesh yeah... a nasty habit of some, very egomaniac... stop the spreading now... nothing like giving out information about groups that actually did something this year... - -f. ;o) - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:20:44 -0800 From: John Frye Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... Michael O'Brien wrote: > For the millionth time, if it looks like it'll be a non-NO related post then > delete it!!! > > Besides, we've all go a similar taste in music here, no harm in discussing > what we think is this years best music. If NewOrder's new album had been out > this year it would've been in everyone's list. That is correct. And it should also be noted that a slightly off topic post is quite a bit more valid than a single line of criticism attached to the entire original post. THAT is a waste. If you have a topic, please let us know, neworder12091020@aol.com. Otherwise, let the list-manager stop the off-topic posts. - -john frye ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:48:12 -0000 From: "Ally" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Super User" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... > > Hello all, what are your top ten releases for this > year... Heres what I've got hammered out so far: > > Radiohead -Kid A Bullocks to this! I can't believe you didn't even include U2's superb new album in your top ten. Even though they jump on the commercial band-wagon a bit too much for my tastes, their efforts on "All That You Can't Leave Behind" kick the shit out of anything Radiohead have done past AND present (puh-lease don't give me the obligatory "OK Computer" worship review!!) I really, really don't understand people's attitudes towards a very ordinary band. I mean "Creep" was "okay", but they haven't done anything as nearly groundbreaking as The Sex Pistols or The Smiths full stop, and that's not even mentioning the genius of our very own NEW ORDER. As Thom Yorke would say "WWWwhhhhhhaaaaaaaiiiiille! (OK guys, let's release that as our next "promotional" song 'cos we're too "above it" to do singles)" But Radiohead fans are so lemming-like don't you find? Dear old "Thom" could belch into a microphone and they'd kill to hear it. How pathetic and depressing. I am really ashamed to call them a British band. Do us a favour and shove it up your arse "Thom". Ally. (who hates Radiohead with a passion, or didn't you notice?) PS. Bring back Morrissey! (where is he anyway?) - ---- alistair j. murray - allymonaco@lineone.net web - http://www.monaco.uk.net/ icq - 37513195 aol - allymonaco _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "try living in the real world, instead of a shell, but before i began, i was bored before i even began" ( morrissey ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:58:27 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) At 11:48 PM 12/20/00 +0000, Ally wrote: >I really, really don't understand people's attitudes towards a very ordinary >band. I mean "Creep" was "okay", but they haven't done anything as nearly >groundbreaking as The Sex Pistols or The Smiths full stop, and that's not >even mentioning the genius of our very own NEW ORDER. I thought that ground broken (?!) by the sex pistols was merely one of attitude and approach to rock/music... and not a "music" one... and in that sense, that is what KID A has done... not as a ground breaking music mosaic, but rather in the same way that Lou Reed did Metal Machine Music, or David Bowie goes in different directions -- a group that does not play it safe when it should. In that same vein... I see more of Radiohead's attitude as the "genius" of New Order, than not. - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:09:40 -0000 From: "Ally" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "fernando" To: "Ally" ; Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) > I thought that ground broken (?!) by the sex pistols was merely one of > attitude and approach to rock/music... and not a "music" one... and in that > sense, that is what KID A has done... Matter of opinion mate. Everyone thought OK Computer was such a fucking brilliant record that the band could do no wrong. So when Kid A came out and it was obviously complete rubbish, the music press (Q, NME, etc.) tried to tone it down with reviews along the lines of "Radiohead are so brilliantly intelligent that they've made a record which is designed to confuse us into thinking it's shite, but is actually artistic genius in it's fullest." I say once again, Bollucks. If anyone is in search of new, recent music, please trade in your Radiohead records and pick up a copy of "All That You Can't Leave Behind" by U2. It is a relevant, touching record by a timeless band, well up there with New Order. Ally. - ---- alistair j. murray - allymonaco@lineone.net web - http://www.monaco.uk.net/ icq - 37513195 aol - allymonaco _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "try living in the real world, instead of a shell, but before i began, i was bored before i even began" ( morrissey ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000..... someone asked: > And the New Order content is....???? > > Great, year-end top 10's......sheeesh then someone else suggested: > For the millionth time, if it looks like it'll be a non-NO related post then > delete it!!! and, then another someone chimed in: > That is correct. And it should also be noted that a slightly off topic post is > quite a bit more valid than a single line of criticism attached to the entire > original post. THAT is a waste. If you have a topic, please let us know, > neworder12091020@aol.com. Otherwise, let the list-manager stop the off-topic > posts. i'd like to direct everyone's attention to the "info" message that every new susbcriber to the list recieves (who has actually read it?). some key points: > "This list is for the discussion of New Order and all related projects." please note that it says "projects" and not "topics." we might disagree on what that means exactly, but my intention when i wrote it was that it was to include projects that involved at least one of the members of new order. > "All I ask about posting to the list is that you keep off-topic > discussion to a minimum...." present off-topic threads (including everyone's ten favorite releases from 2000) area not being kept to a minimum. and i know that very few, if anyone, likes to have these meta-discussions about what's on-topic. again, please note the wording of this passage. it says nothing about off-topic postings being acceptable if they are clearly labeled as such, nor does it say anything about it being the responsibility of the reader to ignore off-topic threads. in fact, i _insist_ that it is the responsibility of the senders to police their own postings. it's rather presumptuous to assume that the hundreds of people who subscribe to this list _need_ to have the opportunity to read about things they have not collectively expressed an interest in. this list is for the discussion of a specific topic, and that is the music created by the members of new order. not "anything and everything that some particular fans of new order decided to share with a large group of people whose only guaranteed common trait is their interest in new order." i am getting pretty tired of repeating myself w.r.t. this meta-topic: (nov. 1 2000) "Actually, no, the easiest solution would be for people on this list who want to talk about things that have nothing to do with New Order is to start their own mailing list for Off-Topic Posts By People Who Like New Order, instead of ruining the one that has existed for many, many years. Believe it or not, there WAS a community here before most people on this list (myself included) subscribed. "Please, PLEASE--before you send a mesge to the whole list, ask yourself if the majority of the people on the list (remember that there are nearly 500!) would want to read it. Pretty simple, eh?" another point about off-topic mail (even clearly-labeled off-topic mail) is that people who subscribe to the digest version do not have an easy option for deleting individual messages. it all comes in one big lump. > "I don't have enough free time to police this list, so please keep it > clean." :) this is as true now as it was when i wrote it. please respect your fellow list members and do not clutter their inboxes with off-topic mail they have not explicitly asked for. some people consider that spam. and please respect your list administrator. i'd really like it if i didn't have to waste any more of my time writing messages like this. reminding people of the most basic rules of the list really pisses me off. and i can be a right bastard when i so choose. > "Members who post long, off-topic messages will get a warning. > Repeat offenders will be removed from the list...for how long, I can't > say. Most likely not permanantly, but I can't make any promises." be considerate. - -w. - -- Warren Lapham laps@2350.org FAXlabel reviews : http://www.2350.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:20:05 -0600 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) - -----Original Message----- From: Ally >I really, really don't understand people's attitudes towards a very ordinary >band. I mean "Creep" was "okay", but they haven't done anything as nearly "High and Dry," is their best, in my not-so-humble opinion. >singles)" But Radiohead fans are so lemming-like don't you find? Dear old Fans of any band are lemming like and prone to overlook the faults and exaggerate the virtues of their favorites. The difference between NO and Radiohead fans -- other than that we have better taste ;-) -- is that Radiohead has a much bigger fan base, a mass base. >PS. Bring back Morrissey! (where is he anyway?) He's in Los Angeles, apparently. I bought My Early Burglary Years just last week and I'm surprised by how good it is, even or especially the late period material on it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:04:29 -0800 From: John Frye Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... I would much rather see a Kid A approach than recent U2 on the next New Order album. It is too bad that people chastise Kid A so much because it is taking some risks. Radiohead don't want to sell lots of albums, they want to maintain their creative freshness and artistic integrity- the fact that the last album alienated so many people shows that they did things right. Sure, there are the confounded reviews, but I would guess that there are more reviews that hate or love it. Polarization is a very good sign that you are on the right track to creating something new in art. If it is garners favorable reviews from all sources, probability is that the work is contemporary and competant, but not new. What can we expect with the next album? New Order haven't broken course and surprised us with any radical tangents recently and the track from The Beach does not indicate there will be soon. New Order really were groundbreaking early in their career. Power Corruption and Lies presented to approaches to pop and also set down the guidelines for the band to follow stylistically, but they have not made such an impact since with one complete album of a new sound, although you have singles like Confusion which was very important historically for merging different musical mediums. Such a moment usually comes once in a career, (with notable exceptions as Fernando will well know as I with the chameleonlike burn-down the past, start from scratch career of Miles Davis) but Radiohead has redefined themselves and introduced indie music to the masses quite late in their career as a followup to an equally impressive album. I would love to hear New Order return within a year with an album that plows new ground and confounds critics, but I hardly expect that. I do hope there is some freshness to the next album. I think Republic had some new approaches for the band, but it would be nice to hear some more contemporary exploration, and I think a new producer will help quite a bit. What is the latest word on that? Sasha? Moby? If we have to retread, I could use Technique2... - -john frye ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:24:57 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... Very good points... and I guess that the little activity can provide us with the luxury of a bit of arm-chair speculation -- not that any band really likes it... but hopefully, the tone can be cordial... I am sure that there would be fans... and perhaps even the record company that would love Technique 2.x... and I would think that there is still some good in that. If the songs are solid and the production not too polished, as Republic or even Technique on some spots, it would be very welcomed by a great mass of people (not to define mass in numbers here). There is redeeming value in this, and if it puts more retirement money in their hands, more power to them -- I think that they have paid their dues. However, I would be more in the camp of something different. The thing about PC&L, as told by Peter, is that they learned a lot after Movement... I think that most dramatically was the change of Steve's drumming style -- getting away from the signature Joy Division style (a bit of Keith Moon, but with more conventional timing ;o). The change did not mean conventional drumming either, as it was apparent all the way through As It Is When It Was... I am not technical at all with music, but I hear it as a different drumming than other "pop" bands through Brotherhood I do think that Chemical and Spooky had some ideas that pointed in some other direction... can't say objectively what they were... but they were (to me) the freshness in Republic. One complaint from people about Republic is that Peter's bass was low in the mix, and I agree with that. But now, Monaco (and even the Smashing Pumpkin's 1979) has shown us that the signature bass playing is *very* New Order of old... and perhaps something in that area can help reshape a sound, at least is most of the songs in the new album. I am not sure that Sasha or even Moby are the answers to these changes... perhaps Roli Moshihannan (sp? formerly of the Swans, and producer for That Petrol Emotion and The Young Gods) and the guys from The Young Gods have the right idea... of a very processed bass playing (though in tYG, it is keyboards sounding like a wall of guitars)... I guess Peter's signature playing also deals with doing the melody and leaving the "bass" to the sequencer... and this can continue... but just to give it some stylistic change that does not cry out New Order form old, at least not on every song. On the other hand, a drastic departure to KID A territory (via a production help from Autechre or some such) is not a good move either... perhaps a bit of the attitude, but not the departure musically. If they did not try this out with the solo work... I don't see why it would happen with the group... I always thought that the greatest gain of a solo work was to venture into unknown territory. just an opinion on topic ;o) - -fernando At 05:04 PM 12/20/00 -0800, John Frye wrote: >I would much rather see a Kid A approach than recent U2 on the next New Order >album. It is too bad that people chastise Kid A so much because it is taking >some risks. Radiohead don't want to sell lots of albums, they want to >maintain >their creative freshness and artistic integrity- the fact that the last album >alienated so many people shows that they did things right. Sure, there >are the >confounded reviews, but I would guess that there are more reviews that hate or >love it. Polarization is a very good sign that you are on the right track to >creating something new in art. If it is garners favorable reviews from all >sources, probability is that the work is contemporary and competant, but not >new. > >What can we expect with the next album? New Order haven't broken course and >surprised us with any radical tangents recently and the track from The Beach >does not indicate there will be soon. New Order really were groundbreaking >early in their career. Power Corruption and Lies presented to approaches to >pop and also set down the guidelines for the band to follow stylistically, but >they have not made such an impact since with one complete album of a new >sound, >although you have singles like Confusion which was very important historically >for merging different musical mediums. Such a moment usually comes once in a >career, (with notable exceptions as Fernando will well know as I with the >chameleonlike burn-down the past, start from scratch career of Miles >Davis) but >Radiohead has redefined themselves and introduced indie music to the masses >quite late in their career as a followup to an equally impressive album. I >would love to hear New Order return within a year with an album that plows new >ground and confounds critics, but I hardly expect that. I do hope there is >some freshness to the next album. I think Republic had some new >approaches for >the band, but it would be nice to hear some more contemporary exploration, and >I think a new producer will help quite a bit. What is the latest word on >that? Sasha? Moby? > >If we have to retread, I could use Technique2... > >-john frye > >------- >+ Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ >+ To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:32:36 -0800 (PST) From: Super User Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) > I can't believe you didn't even > include U2's superb they have a new album out? are they still around even? Haven't followed them since, 1985 or so. charlie D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:01:58 -0600 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... It is difficult to imagine New Order doing anything like Everything's Gone Green or the original Temptation (or PC&L, whatever floats your boat) at this point. Part of it is that they're simply too proficient now, they know what they're doing and can't really unlearn that. What will likely make this NO album different from most others is an emphasis on guitars again. I think Brutal, Twisted Tenderness and Monaco all point in this direction, plus the band's newfound appreciation of Brotherhood as evidenced by the '98 Peel Session. I'm sure there will still be plenty of electronics though, just not as overwhelmingly as on Republic. Putting Hooky's bass back into prominence in the mix might make the new one feel more archetypically NO than just about anything they've done before, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:05:23 -0600 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: (Fac33) Electronic Sad as I am to hear that there won't be a US single remix of something off Twisted Tenderness, it is something of a minor consolation to see that www.musicmaker.com is actually offering a couple of Electronic tracks that haven't been on CD before. They're just remixes -- the 2 Lone Swordsmen mix and the Harvey's Greatly Deluded mix of Prodigal Son -- but at least it's not all just material re-hashed from the UK CD singles. Now if only they'd officially offer the UTEOT mixes like that too.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:50:36 -0000 From: "Ally" Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frye" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:04 AM Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... > I would much rather see a Kid A approach than recent U2 on the next New Order > album. It is too bad that people chastise Kid A so much because it is taking > some risks. Radiohead don't want to sell lots of albums, they want to maintain > their creative freshness and artistic integrity- the fact that the last album > alienated so many people shows that they did things right. Sure, Oh god, this turning into an "arty" discussion. I can sense in your defence of Radiohead's latest material that you're struggling to come up with positive support for what is essentially just a *bad* album. The fact that there have been (mostly) very average reviews, and one or two decent reviews dosen't mean shit (Polarization? Whatever you say!) I reckon Thom & Co opted not to release a single becuase they knew there wasn't a track strong enough to make an impression on the record-buying public and Radiohead would subsequently bomb. I would much rather listen to U2's new LP rather than Kid A. If you listen to their 1997 offering "Pop", I think you'll find tracks such as "Mofo", or "Discotheque" would sound incredibly out of place on the new record, hence they have done something completely different. There are however some similarities between U2's ATYCLB and say, The Joshua Tree, but they're a bloody rock band and have made no secret of this. Which "fresh new" direction do you expect them to take after experimenting in dance music? Reggae? Country & Western? Tracks such as "Walk On", or "Heaven on Earth" sound much more interesting and relevant than *anything* on Kid A. The main difference between Bono's lyrics and Thom's lyrics is that Bono can actually write them. As for New Order, they will no doubt release an album which will (unsurprisingly) sound like New Order. The fortunate thing for us is that the band's members have produced a wide range of music within a wide range of tastes. What do "Make It Happen" and "Tasty Fish" have in common? What do "Blue Monday" and "What do you want from me?" have in common? They're all so different that to the untrained ear you'd never guess they had one core band linking them all. It sounds like Mr John Frye is hoping for some magical departure where New Order will sound unlike anything they have done before, how very naive I'm afraid. Or perhaps they should just do something like the new bollucks which Radiohead is churning out. Whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiilllle! (Thom Thumb) Ally. - ---- alistair j. murray - allymonaco@lineone.net web - http://www.monaco.uk.net/ icq - 37513195 aol - allymonaco _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "try living in the real world, instead of a shell, but before i began, i was bored before i even began" ( morrissey ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 04:04:23 -0000 From: "Colin Kerr" Subject: Re: (Fac33) PFD I rate Academy as the best by a long way. Love the low key lights and as I've ranted on many times before - the bass in Bizzare Love Tirangle is as near perfection as damit. What's with the Top 10s? Is there not alt.top10 or summat? Had a look at the NME top 50 LPs/singles and sad to see I have not heard a single of the singles and possess only 1 of the albums. I am now officially an old codger. Ach....album of the year was Johnny Cash's anyway. Haven't read anyone elses but if its not there then give it a listen/download/steal it. colin - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:03 PM Subject: (Fac33) PFD > Hello, > > I just got through watching "Pumped full of drugs" (rental) and I would like > to know how it compares to other New Order concert videos. This is the only > one of the group I've seen. > > Thanks > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:30:26 -0500 From: "Bill Daras" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) > > I can't believe you didn't even > > include U2's superb > > they have a new album out? are they still around > even? Haven't followed them since, 1985 or so. > Yeah, it's pretty good, basically the last 15 years of their music distilled down into one album. However, I hope they are more inventive next time around. The band did a damn good performance on Saturday Night Live 3 weeks ago. Bono was under the wheather so to speak and 90% of "Beautiful Day" sucked (except the end) but "Elevation" kicked serious ass. Both songs ended with songs written by John Lennon. BD turned into "All You Need Is Love" and "Elevation" segued into the chorus of "Instant Karma". Absolutely beautiful. Some of the SNL staff consider it the best musical performance the show has ever had. 'Nuff said. - -Bill Daras ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:48:44 -0000 From: "Victor Moyseyenko" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) My 2 cents to last night post: The BEST -> Radiohead "Kid A", it's very good and original My favourite -> Jay-Jay Johanson "Poison" (i don't know why) Last U2 -> really crap (though i like "Pop" & up to 91 very much) New Order -> very pleasant NEW song (though they might have found better movie to put it to :) ) + PERFECT Monaco's album (NOBODY mentioned it here!!!) Other 2000 i'd like to mention -> The Cure, Robbie Williams, Reamonn, Muse Have a nice day! v ================================ mailto: Victor.Moyseyenko@pbank.dp.ua ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:16:35 -0000 From: "Smiley" Subject: (Fac33) NON-LIST: Cheap Accomodation in the United States (NYC, LA, SF) - can anyone help? afternoon all. sorry for the off-topic post, but i though that some of you lovely American boys and girls out there might be able to help out. a friend of mine is heading off around the world in a few weeks - first stop North America. she's looking for CHEAP (and I mean cheap, but without rats or other wildlife please!) accommodation in New York, LA, San Francisco. if anyone has any info that might be useful, please reply to me off-list at: smileyweb@yahoo.co.uk and i'll forward it on to her. MANY THANKS, AND HAPPY CHRISTMAS! now then - back to your normal programming... ;-) cheers, - --- Smiley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:28:46 -0800 (PST) From: Super User Subject: Re: (Fac33) Top 10 of 2000 (rAdIoHeAd aRe sHiTe!_!) If Godspeed You Black Emperor! were to ever appear on SNL that would have to be the best musical performance of the televised era, hands down. > Karma". Absolutely beautiful. > Some of the SNL staff consider it the best musical > performance the show has > ever had. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:59:03 -0800 From: John Frye Subject: Re: (Fac33) The next New Order album... Daniel McCarthy wrote: > What will likely make > this NO album different from most others is an emphasis on guitars again. I wouldn't mind a half guitar half electronic album. I think that works pretty well. Republic seemed like Regret- Guitar, and then the rest of the album was very electronic based by comparism. Regret seems so alien. - -jhon frye ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2000 #133 ********************************* ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .