From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #1 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, January 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 001 (Fac33) another one (Fac33) Re: Perfect Kiss Video Edit (Fac33) Retro - Question for Canadians Re: (Fac33) Retro - Question for Canadians Re: (Fac33) Bad video (autocue) (Fac33) Finsbree DVD (Fac33) Bad video update (Fac33) rage (Fac33) rage again Re: (Fac33) Bad video update Re: (Fac33) Bad video update (Camden vendors) and video in general R: (Fac33) Bad video update (Fac33) Finsbury DVD (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_everythings_gone_green_(7_inch_mix)_ Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video (Fac33) Jack Mag Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles (Fac33) (Fac33) new year Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:39:17 -0500 From: "P SAVILLE" Subject: (Fac33) another one Question 824: Dear boys, which song of Get Ready (New Order) you like? Answer: "Crystal". N _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:19:11 -0600 From: "Stephen Fontenot" Subject: (Fac33) Re: Perfect Kiss Video Edit Thought this would've been covered by now so I wouldn't have to write in off the digest, but... the Perfect Kiss track on the rarities CD is not from the take that got used for the video. There are countless subtle differences, including that at the start of the track, the third clap is a 32nd-beat late; and that Bernard starts going at the bell a bit earlier in the rarities CD version. Listen to them back-to-back (don't many of us have the mp3 off the video that's gone around?) and I'm sure you'll notice differences I haven't. Anyway... they're as different as any two consecutive live takes of the same track. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:43:55 -0500 From: "Kim Podolak" Subject: (Fac33) Retro - Question for Canadians

Hey all,

Quick question for the Canadians on the list.  Where are you purchasing Retro from?
I've been looking around and the copies with the bonus disk are at least $20-$25 more than without.  Have you found a good source at a reasonable price?

Thanks and happy early new year!

kim



 






 


Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:58:32 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Retro - Question for Canadians I paid 60$ CDN for mine shipped from HMV.co.uk to my house. (all fees included) Considering the US version will cost 55$ US, that's a rip off ;-) That is, of course, if you are lucky and they don't charge you the GST at the customs.. but it's Christmas time, they are so busy, it's a small chance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:12:36 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Bad video (autocue) In a message dated 12/26/02 4:10:44 PM, nleblanc@NewOrderOnline.com writes: << It's so evident on the Finsbury DVD that he's looking at the teleprompter that you won't have to ask that question again... ;-) He's always looking down straight to it!! >> And I thought he was looking down at the crowd :-) I'll check it out again - thanks! xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:30:53 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: (Fac33) Finsbree DVD Just seen the finsbree DVD on CD-WOW (cd-wow.com) for £13.99 with free post & packing. Gotta love a cd-wow!!!! cheers John B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:18:27 +0100 From: "Manuel Caviglia" Subject: (Fac33) Bad video update Hello, I am trying to make some contacts in the Camden market through the web. Maybe there is a chance to get the tape changed or to get a refund. But one of the dealer asked a question.....Are you sure actually a good copy of the tape exists? I am talking of the videocassette with the gig in the Brixton Academy on October the 12th 2001. Its a while that I heard this video has been spotted but its not very common....Nobody mention to have it on this list or in the forums. So, as far as you know....Does this video actually exists? Have I a chance to get my video changed with the good one? If you know or if you own this video please let me know. Bye, Manuel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:20:05 +1030 From: "Brad Edwards" Subject: (Fac33) rage Some of Hooky/Barney/Stephen's appearance on Rage earlier this year was just repeated on TV. (Rage is an OZ music video show - New Order were guest programmers). Stephen played 'Since I Left You' by the Avalanches. Hooky then says something like "Didn't you and Gillian do a track called Avalanche once?", to which Stephen replies "Yeah but we released it as New Order"! I just found that interesting - Republic was certainly not a united effort in many respects. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:29:10 +1030 From: "Brad Edwards" Subject: (Fac33) rage again For details of their appearance and an amusing Quicktime vid, check out: http://www.abc.net.au/rage/guest/2002/neworder.htm - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:47:10 -0000 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Bad video update Manuel, the video does exist - I've seen a copy. It's from the last night at Brixton - but is a bootleg. I think the idea of anyone taking what is, basically, an illegal recording of a concert back to a vendor and complaining about the quality is perhaps a bit naive. It's a bootleg, shot from the circle, and the quality is what you'd expect from such an item - basically, rubbish. I'd hold onto it if I were you, it's still a memento of a memorable gig (although the copy I've seen ended as Blue Monday closed and sadly didn't record Hooky's DNE solo showing!).. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Caviglia" To: "ML New Order" Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: (Fac33) Bad video update > Hello, > I am trying to make some contacts in the Camden market through the web. > Maybe there is a chance to get the tape changed or to get a refund. > But one of the dealer asked a question.....Are you sure actually a good copy > of the tape exists? > I am talking of the videocassette with the gig in the Brixton Academy on > October the 12th 2001. > Its a while that I heard this video has been spotted but its not very > common....Nobody mention > to have it on this list or in the forums. So, as far as you know....Does > this video actually exists? > Have I a chance to get my video changed with the good one? > If you know or if you own this video please let me know. > Bye, > Manuel > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:47:50 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Bad video update (Camden vendors) and video in general Hrm - I was in Camden in Feb '95 talking to one video dealer, trying to figure out if he filmed or just sold, and if he knew or *was* John Brown (anyone remember him - filmed loads of indie/New Order gigs, also made D6 audience masters from 1986-1989 tour, incl. Dec '88 Gmex - gadz my memory sucks, I forgot the exact date - as well as 6-6-87 Roxy Sheffield amongst some of the more "famously" taped gigs like Glasters 87 and RAH 10-6-86 etc etc - as John Brown and "Dennis" kept a 10 Foxton Road address in Cambridge, I used to have his total address memorized but just remember the 10 Foxton Road right now, but they had adverts in Record Collector back in 1991 and who knows what other publications, I did send him some quality Dinosaur and Nirvana tapes so it's not like I was the only one who benefited from our swaps) and anyway while we were chatting some people were asking him about video quality/etc., and he said a few times "Well if you're not happy with it you're welcome to return it and get something else next week" as it appeared he was consistently selling videos in Camden every Saturday, or it was just a line he made up. So maybe the video dealers do take returns and such, although that would shock me, basically when you're dealing in stolen goods, it's caveat emptor (bad Latin!), you should be glad you weren't arrested for trafficking in stolen goods, as you know drug buyers get into trouble as well :-) Get 511 instead - if you really want quality New Order concert vids, get anything from 1986 and 1987 because those videos are really good. Whether it's Academy or one of the private-films, it's all ace. Also can anyone make a quality DVD copy of Leuven Dec '85 (I wanna say Dec 10 but I just cannot remember, fuck!) and make it for weed distribution here? Does anyone know who filmed the 8-25-87 Pier gig, I got my copy from Graeme in Vancouver but he didn't remember who gave it to him. Ditto for 1-28-85 Michael Sorbell Sports Centre (both ace film *and* audience recordings - but different tapers). I'm just curious, all these years later. big ta Mike xx In a message dated 12/28/02 8:27:57 AM, amjarvis@netcomuk.co.uk writes: << Manuel, the video does exist - I've seen a copy. It's from the last night at Brixton - but is a bootleg. I think the idea of anyone taking what is, basically, an illegal recording of a concert back to a vendor and complaining about the quality is perhaps a bit naive. It's a bootleg, shot from the circle, and the quality is what you'd expect from such an item - basically, rubbish. I'd hold onto it if I were you, it's still a memento of a memorable gig (although the copy I've seen ended as Blue Monday closed and sadly didn't record Hooky's DNE solo showing!).. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:33:09 +0100 From: "Manuel Caviglia" Subject: R: (Fac33) Bad video update > Manuel, the video does exist - I've seen a copy. It's from the last night at > Brixton - but is a bootleg. I think the idea of anyone taking what is, > basically, an illegal recording of a concert back to a vendor and > complaining about the quality is perhaps a bit naive. It's a bootleg, shot > from the circle, and the quality is what you'd expect from such an item - > basically, rubbish. > Well, its not just bad quality.....There is no video at all.....All black. On the tape there should also be the Under influence documentary and its all black as well. So its clearly a bad duplicate , On the cover there are some footage taken from the tape. I dont think they sell a video with no image in it and the audio.....You can just hear some noise if you put the telly at maximum volume....I understood its New Order because I know them very well. I have a lot of bootleg videos so I know how they are. I am sure this one had some problem when it was duplicated. Sometimes it happen to me when the scart is not well connected between the 2 VCRs. So did you actually watch the video? Or you just saw it for sale? Thanks for your reply, bye, Manuel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:42:29 +0100 From: "Manuel Caviglia" Subject: (Fac33) Finsbury DVD Hello, well I havent yet got my copy from Amazon but a frien of mine who didnt know I order it bought it for me as today its my birthday. I have been very happy anyway. I saw the documentery by Jon (great work mate!!!!). They should sell through the Internet the Apollo and the Ally Pally videos....A lot of bands do internet release for fans and mde them avalaible at gigs. Anyway its the one with the Peter Hook cover while the Amazon Uk will be the one with the sky I presume. Maybe I will sell it when I get it or most probably like a fucking mad collector I would keep it for the different cover! I will finally watch the gig tonite or tomorrow. Bye, Manuel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:22:21 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video I was looking through Virgins web-site in the (rather silly) hope that Finsbree DVD may be in the sale (I can hope..!) And whilst looking through the New Order stuff, at the bottom of the page were a number of related items, one of which I've never heard of before & was wondering if someone on the list can enlighten me as to what it is. It read as follows: New Order - Taras Schevchenko... ? Cheers John B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:55:01 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video I think Amazon.co.uk is selling 511 for 14.99pounds which is a good price, in my book. x Mike In a message dated 12/28/02 2:24:53 PM, jkbarnes@bigfoot.com writes: << I was looking through Virgins web-site in the (rather silly) hope that Finsbree DVD may be in the sale (I can hope..!) And whilst looking through the New Order stuff, at the bottom of the page were a number of related items, one of which I've never heard of before & was wondering if someone on the list can enlighten me as to what it is. It read as follows: New Order - Taras Schevchenko... ? Cheers John B. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:31:30 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of John Barnes Sent: December 28, 2002 17:22 To: ceremony Subject: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video I was looking through Virgins web-site in the (rather silly) hope that Finsbree DVD may be in the sale (I can hope..!) And whilst looking through the New Order stuff, at the bottom of the page were a number of related items, one of which I've never heard of before & was wondering if someone on the list can enlighten me as to what it is. It read as follows: New Order - Taras Schevchenko... ? Cheers John B. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:57:04 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video You do mean 316, you silly boy :-) We know what you meant, but I felt like calling you a silly boy, and thus have an excuse. "I told you not to, silly boy" - Willy Wonka xox Mike In a message dated 12/28/02 3:31:49 PM, nleblanc@NewOrderOnline.com writes: << Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:12 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Of course I meant 316.. :-( - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc Sent: December 28, 2002 18:32 To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:39:31 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_everythings_gone_green_(7_inch_mix)_ 'help me, somebody help me' hi new-order'ers, [files] i'm continuing to go through my collection looking for tracks to mp3... for this one, i've chosen the original 7" remix of 'everythings gone green'.. this version is available only on vinyl currently... it would have been nice to have this on 'retro', but i guess it didn't work out...oh well... [history] new order's second release, has 'procession' on the a-side, they release several different covers of this single, and put a new song on the b-side, 'everythings gone green' however it appears only on the vinyl release, and not on cd... [review] this version is very similiar to the 'full' version that appears on cd (retro), and other albums.... however this version is slightly edited.. i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-everythings_gone_green(7 inch)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the uk 7" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 4891381 bytes Length: 244 seconds -> 4min04sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 9370 frames 44100hz Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: No Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- 7": AU 1981 (Factory/Gap FAC 53) 7": IT 1981 (Factory FAC 53) ** 7": NZ 1981 (Factory FAC 53) *** 7": PG 1981 (Factory/Vimusica VFACT 110-2) ***** 7": SP 1981 (Nuevos Medios 20 008S) ***** 7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 53) * 7": US 1981 (Factory/Rough Trade FAC 53) **** Everything's Gone Green 4:00 Procession - ------------------------- 'i wonder who i am' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:09:25 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video DOH!! How (stupid) do I feel, especially as I have 3 16 on bloody DVD!!! Apologies all for my ignorance....!! Cheers John B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicolas LeBlanc To: 'John Barnes' ; 'ceremony' Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) > > It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... > > It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On > Behalf Of John Barnes > Sent: December 28, 2002 17:22 > To: ceremony > Subject: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > I was looking through Virgins web-site in the (rather silly) hope that > Finsbree DVD may be in the sale (I can hope..!) And whilst looking > through the New Order stuff, at the bottom of the page were a number of > related items, one of which I've never heard of before & was wondering > if someone on the list can enlighten me as to what it is. It read as > follows: > > New Order - Taras Schevchenko... ? > > Cheers > John B. > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:56:58 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: (Fac33) Jack Mag So who has picked up & read a copy of the New Jack mag then? I want that American style Number Plate, thats pretty cool..! Cheers John B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:00:38 -0800 From: "Joel Noble" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Jarvis" To: "Eddie Colton" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles > > Why worry about > > convention for a band who's never appeared on US television (save for > > Baywatch)? They're not a commercial band, so commercial rules don't > > apply to them. > > Ah, the American angle. You're the centre of our universe, aren't you? Er, > not where this band are concerned, I'm afraid. New Order ARE a commercial > band. On these shores, and, in the main, in Europe. They might a minority > band Stateside, but over here they're fairly mainstream. Check out the > attendance on the Finsbree Park DVD on one of the worst days for weather we > saw in London this summer. Then compare that with the minimal effort people > made for New Order on the Area:One tour. A couple of hundred New Order fans > for each gig and no more, sad to say. > > Whatever. Merry Xmas to all! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eddie Colton" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles > > > > > we'll have to wait until they decide there won't be any new order > > > album ever again. then all rarities will come out. > > > > Saying that implies there will be future rarities recorded by them. I > > just don't see it. Even in their heyday, they only had about six > > b-sides, and though they were good, most of what followed was > > instrumental filler they never wrote lyrics for. New Order doesn't do > > one-off singles anymore and the record company has no need for b-sides > > when they can pay hack DJs to do bad remixes. Any good tracks that > > don't make the album can be re-recorded for the following album. > > Honestly, they're not going to write another 1963. The tracks they do > > release are barely up to scratch as it is. I say release the archives > > now before somebody loses them. Hell, is it fair that Elegia should be > > confined to a limited 3000/6000/9000 copy disc? It should be available > > to everyone the way Substance is, not on eBay for $40. > > > > ****** > > > > > As for wanting an Beatles Anthology-type set from New order, I would > > > imagine only about 10-25% of fans of the band in question would be > > > intested in something like that. > > > > I think ALL New Order fans would be interested in something like that. > > It's not like there's a huge cross-section who only listen to the > > singles. New Order doesn't have that kind of appeal. You either like > > them enough to buy their material or you listen to them on the Eighties > > radio station. > > > > > > > Alas, for New Order it would probably be commercial suicide. > > > > Um, like this unpromoted box set isn't commercial suicide? Since barely > > anything they put out is publicized, I don't see why they can't just > > put out whatever they want, or whatever we want. Why worry about > > convention for a band who's never appeared on US television (save for > > Baywatch)? They're not a commercial band, so commercial rules don't > > apply to them. > > > > ****** > > > > >> ...to hear everyone suddenly coming out of the woodwork claiming > > >> ownership over Ceremony for Joy Division irks me just slightly. > > > > > > Ceremony played by Joy Division exists... Ceremony played by New > > > Order is credited to Joy Division... Bernard has referred to it > > > as a Joy Division song... > > > > It's a Joy Division song because they wrote the music. However, it's > > also a New Order song because Bernard wrote new lyrics, they recorded > > it officially, they performed it more than Joy Division did, and > > they're known "Ceremony" whereas most Joy Division fans never heard of > > it until Still came out. So everyone's right... and wrong. By the way, > > I think those DVD titles are really the pits! > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . Just to let you know there were more than a few hundred fans watching New Order at the A1 festival at the George in Washington, and I was surprised to see they were not just 30 to 40 year olds(like myself) there were alot of kids there with banners and T-shirts. By the way I like them being un-commercial over here, its better that way man. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:59:16 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: (Fac33) HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE...........! John B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:20:10 -0300 From: almanso Subject: (Fac33) new year the best for all on 2003. let=B4s hope it=B4s better than 2002. please! regards alejo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:18:21 -0000 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles > > Just to let you know there were more than a few hundred fans watching New > Order at the A1 festival at the George in Washington, and I was surprised to > see they were not just 30 to 40 year olds(like myself) there were alot of > kids there with banners and T-shirts. By the way I like them being > un-commercial over here, its better that way man. > Joel, I was at all the Area:One shows last summer, and whilst there may have indeed been more than a 'few hundred' people watching New Order, I don't think there were many people there JUST to follow New Order, which is the point I was trying to make. Genuine fans seemed to be few and far between. . Interesting to note the comment you said about banners though - is that a very American thing? I've been to, say, Roskilde, where fans turn up with standards, like the Roman Army used to use, but at the Gorge gig I just remember one guy stood by us the whole gig with FACE UP written on a piece of cardboard, which he held aloft the entire gig!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:52:44 -0000 From: "ade" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Probably already been said, but has anyone noticed poor sound on their 511 DVD ? mcn. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc Sent: 28 December 2002 23:59 To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Of course I meant 316.. :-( - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc Sent: December 28, 2002 18:32 To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:36:21 -0000 From: "Andrew Balgobin" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video yes i have. its terrible. i thought it was just my copy for a while, but its either poorly recorded, or just the sound that day was bad. people who were at the gig would be able to tell us more i guess. andrew - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ade" To: "'Nicolas LeBlanc'" ; "'John Barnes'" ; "'ceremony'" Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > Probably already been said, but has anyone noticed poor sound on their 511 > DVD ? > > > mcn. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: 28 December 2002 23:59 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Of course I meant 316.. :-( > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: December 28, 2002 18:32 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) > > It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... > > It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:37:29 -0000 From: "John Saunders" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video If you mean a slight distortion, like recording levels too high, in certain places then yes. I was going to check it on another system to see if it was just my set up. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ade" To: "'Nicolas LeBlanc'" ; "'John Barnes'" ; "'ceremony'" Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > Probably already been said, but has anyone noticed poor sound on their 511 > DVD ? > > > mcn. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: 28 December 2002 23:59 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Of course I meant 316.. :-( > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: December 28, 2002 18:32 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) > > It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... > > It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:24:35 +0100 From: "jcpacaud" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video On my player, the problem occurs when the sound is on "PCM" and not on "Digital" ! :-) e'sc > If you mean a slight distortion, like recording levels too high, in certain > places then yes. I was going to check it on another system to see if it was > just my set up. > > > Probably already been said, but has anyone noticed poor sound on their 511 > > DVD ? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:20:56 -0000 From: "ade" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video Cheers people - I wondered if it was only I. I was there & the sound was indeed rubbish at times, but it was outdoors & to be expected, etc. It settled down after a while as most outdoors gigs do. As for the DVD: Sometimes the levels are dodgy - I didn't mind this TOO much, though it's nowhere near as well polished as Reading. However! I can hear proper distortion (ie, recording levels too high or mastered badly) during several tracks. Doesn't sound digital, just too loud to desk/master, etc. I honestly hoped it was just my DVD, but it looks like we've all been shafted with a less than great effort. I wouldn't mind in the least if the DVD had liner notes explaining that the soundtrack is sometimes compromised, but of course it says nothing. After all, I mention it once & several people come out in agreement - I wonder how many more people are wondering exactly the same...? ade. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Balgobin Sent: 01 January 2003 18:36 To: 'ceremony' Subject: Re: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video yes i have. its terrible. i thought it was just my copy for a while, but its either poorly recorded, or just the sound that day was bad. people who were at the gig would be able to tell us more i guess. andrew - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ade" To: "'Nicolas LeBlanc'" ; "'John Barnes'" ; "'ceremony'" Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > Probably already been said, but has anyone noticed poor sound on their 511 > DVD ? > > > mcn. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: 28 December 2002 23:59 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Of course I meant 316.. :-( > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On > Behalf Of Nicolas LeBlanc > Sent: December 28, 2002 18:32 > To: 'John Barnes'; 'ceremony' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Unheard of dvd/video > > > Guess what.. It's the Taras Schevchenko show ;-) > > It's also on the 511 DVD... As the 2nd show with Reading 1998... > > It's the New York Gig in 1981(82?) at the Ukranian National House. > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #1 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .