From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #8 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Friday, January 24 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 008 (Fac33) _back_in_2003_again_ (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ RE: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(video)_ Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ RE: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like cover (Fac33) More pointless trivia..... Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ (Fac33) [repost] -> [mp3] -> _new_order__ceremony(7inch_mix)_ RE: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like cover (Fac33) playlouder interview with New Order (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate Re: (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(vid_edit_cd)[fanmix]_ RE: (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate (Fac33) US Retro Question RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question (Fac33) USA international w/ bonus DVD? RE: (Fac33) USA international w/ bonus DVD? Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ (Fac33) confusion on Retro RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order__in_a_lonely_place(7inch)_ Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Re: Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro (confusion about Confusion) Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_temptation(full)[fanmix]_ (Fac33) New Rock promo on eBay (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_mesh_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:20:36 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _back_in_2003_again_ hi mr lapham, good deal, it looks like we're back in the present again, and i see the folders are updated, and the files are renamed.. all's well, that ends well.. later || || || || | || ne gati ve 1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:11:07 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (Fac33) _ceremony_digest_numbers_ >>unfortunately, my usual method of changing them did not work, and i have not >>had time to investigate other methods of getting it done (or to ask for help >>from my server admins). > will they be renumbered? >>yes. >>i may have another go at it again tonight. >>- -w. >>- -- >> http://www.warlap.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:20 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ ok, i'm game... what's the difference..are they remastered differently? temptation (can,aus, uk 12",EP) 8:47 v, cd, cs temptation (ital 12") 7:26 v <- still haven't verified temptation (jap 12") 8:36 v <- own it, but haven't verified... vs UK Box Set Track Song Version Time Notes Audio Video 2. Temptation 12" Version 8:47 Steve : We normally put Temptation towards the end, so that the fans know that we're going off in a bit. It can get a bit confusing because you get a bunch of songs that started with T: Temptation, True Faith, um, I can't remember any more. and bizarre love triangle (12") 6:44 v, cd, cs vs 4. Bizarre Love Triangle Shep Pettibone Remix 6:44 later || | | || || | ne ga tiv e 1 >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:18:17 -0000 >From: "Brian McGee" >Subject: (Fac33) Differences Quiz... >Ok so we all noticed the differences between the Perfect Kiss video take and >the one from the actual video, but... >Anyone notice the completely irrelevant differences between Temptation 12" >on Retro, and Temptation 12" on 1981-82? >Or BLT 12" on Retro and BLT 12" on Substance? >They are different! >Answers on a postcard to..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:41:11 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(video)_ > -----Original Message----- > From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:33 AM > > [review] > > this is an interesting version > of 'blue monday'.. > > it's probably the ONLY real > official edit that exists > of the song.. I have always considered promotional releases as official as well. In that case, the JP 7" promo edit should be another official edit. And perhaps the UK 7" promo - although the ball is still up in the air on that one... > so what you say? > > you're bored you say? > > yeah, well, then this > version won't help... :) > it's basically an edit > of the 12" from the 0min:38sec > mark -> 5min:12sec..(i've > redone for myself in > digital format/and may post > that if any interest exists).... > > i've noticed the video version > is 'SLIGHTLY' faster in bpm's > than the standard 12" version, > (i'm not sure if this is > intentional or not)..also > this version has a slight > gap in the beginning, due > to actual video starting > before the song.. > > this version is transferred > from an analog video source, > so the sound quality isn't > that great...i've reduced > some of the hiss on it.. Wouldn't it be relatively easy to do your own edit of the original video-edit and then sync it to the video? I have never been able to track down the Shorts VHS (for a reasonable price), is the video available anywhere as a download? T> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:52:50 +0000 From: "Brian McGee" Subject: Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ And the answers are....... Temptation on Retro starts about a second later than the 1981-82 EP, and either the tempo is slightly faster, or three seconds have been edited out of the recording somewhere, I haven't wasted my time seeing which is the case (...yet) BLT on Substance has a mastering error near the beginning, one of the beats sounds like it's there twice at the same time, (one slightly out of time with the other). And on Retro - this isn't the case - which means they're not just ripping the Substance CD and re-pressing tracks like I suspected at one point.. Then again, True Faith on Retro has the same mastering errors as Substance, hmmmm........ I'm not normally like this, honest.... Brian "-1" wrote: > > ok, > > i'm game... > what's the difference..are they remastered differently? > > temptation (can,aus, uk 12",EP) 8:47 v, cd, cs > temptation (ital 12") 7:26 v <- still haven't verified > temptation (jap 12") 8:36 v <- own it, but haven't > verified... > > vs > > UK Box Set > Track Song Version Time Notes Audio Video > 2. Temptation 12" Version 8:47 Steve : We normally put Temptation towards > the end, so that the fans know that we're going off in a bit. It can get a > bit confusing because you get a bunch of songs that started with T: > Temptation, True Faith, um, I can't remember any more. > > > and > > bizarre love triangle (12") 6:44 v, cd, cs > vs > 4. Bizarre Love Triangle Shep Pettibone Remix 6:44 > > later > > || | | || || | > ne ga tiv e 1 > > > >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:18:17 -0000 > >From: "Brian McGee" > >Subject: (Fac33) Differences Quiz... > > >Ok so we all noticed the differences between the Perfect Kiss video take > and > >the one from the actual video, but... > > >Anyone notice the completely irrelevant differences between Temptation 12" > >on Retro, and Temptation 12" on 1981-82? > >Or BLT 12" on Retro and BLT 12" on Substance? > > >They are different! > > >Answers on a postcard to..... > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 05:04:25 -0800 From: "J.W. Anthony" Subject: RE: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like cover Hi All, Thanks for the heads-up re: the hmv cover. Does anyone know if they will be releasing a special edition region 1 DVD for this movie? It seems like the UK version has a lot more extras than the US version, and I'd rather not be locked into viewing the movie at my computer's DVD player and not my tv. Thanks for any info., Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Lars Nellemann > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM > To: Ceremony > Subject: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like > cover > > > Follow this link > http://www.hmv.co.uk/servlet/HMVApp/Registration.StartUp/createSes > sionId?ct= > pd&sku=4954&source=9909 > > and see the factory like edition of the DVD. > > Lars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:55:20 +0000 From: "Brian McGee" Subject: (Fac33) More pointless trivia..... Where has part of the Joy Division Amsterdam Paradiso gig been officially released by London Records? Note that the Paris CD doesn't count - it's not on London Records. Answers on a postcard............ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:12:35 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Brian McGee wrote: > which means they're not just ripping the Substance CD and re-pressing tracks > like I suspected at one point.. > > Then again, True Faith on Retro has the same mastering errors as Substance, hmmmm........ speaking of remastering errors and differences between versions on Retro and Substance... the studio version of Ceremony on my copy of Retro (UK version) seems to have a mastering error. the high-hat drops out for about two seconds, between 1:53 and 1:55 of the track. my (European) copy of International does not have this flaw. anyone else notice this? - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:00:28 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [repost] -> [mp3] -> _new_order__ceremony(7inch_mix)_ 'watching forever' hi new-order'ers, [files] ok, i've gone back to the beginning and have re-done this version, in a slightly better quality... now that i've found my 7", and made sure that this is the original version..... it's been about 2 weeks since i first heard this ...and i really like it. here is the original version of ceremony that was recorded without gillian gilbert.. [history] new order's first release, and has 'in a lonely place' on the b-side, both were actually joy division songs though.. they later went on to re-record a different version of it (and released with white/blue cover), however it appears only on the vinyl release, and not on cd... [review] this version is somewhat similiar to the later version that appears on cd, and other albums.... however, it emphasizes the guitar and drums more.. i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- new_order-ceremony(7inch)[160k] info - ----- from the uk 7" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 5519151 bytes Length: 275 seconds <-4min35sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 10573 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- Ceremony Fac 33 [March 1981] 7": AU 1981 (EMI/Gap SFA-541) 7": FR 1981 (Factory/Virgin 101 578) 7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [gold sleeve] 7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [testpress] [matrix #LYN9479] 4:34 Ceremony - ------------------------- 'the same old story' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:07:34 -0000 From: "John Gardner" Subject: RE: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like cover Got an email today saying my copy of the DVD shipped today, yet on the HMV web site it has the release date as: 'Release Date: 27-01-2003 Catalogue Number: P9036HMVDVD ' Not that I'm complaining of course. :-) JG - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of J.W. Anthony Sent: 22 January 2003 13:04 To: Ceremony Subject: RE: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like cover Hi All, Thanks for the heads-up re: the hmv cover. Does anyone know if they will be releasing a special edition region 1 DVD for this movie? It seems like the UK version has a lot more extras than the US version, and I'd rather not be locked into viewing the movie at my computer's DVD player and not my tv. Thanks for any info., Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Lars Nellemann > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM > To: Ceremony > Subject: (Fac33) 24 hour party people DVD in special HMV factory-like > cover > > > Follow this link > http://www.hmv.co.uk/servlet/HMVApp/Registration.StartUp/createSes > sionId?ct= > pd&sku=4954&source=9909 > > and see the factory like edition of the DVD. > > Lars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:10:01 -0500 From: "P SAVILLE" Subject: (Fac33) playlouder interview with New Order Check it out....Interesting oppinions on the Box Set by the band: http://www.playlouder.com/feature/1188neworder/ Nirav _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:22:32 +0100 (CET) From: albrecht Subject: (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate I know I'm an ignorant; but what is CDR acetate? NEW ORDER Retro -- (UK 57 track 4x CDR acetate for box set + press release etc) 45.00 Does it look better in the shelf than the regular one? Magnus - still haven't bought one ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:05:14 +0100 From: "Lars Nellemann" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate > I know I'm an ignorant; but what is CDR acetate? An acetate was a pre-print of a vinyl album or 12 inch. Since it's now all CD's - an acetate is normally just a CDR released as the very first pre-promo. Normally the CDRs have the record-companys name printed on it, and the band name and title written by hand. > > Does it look better in the shelf than the regular one? Certainly not. Lars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:31:01 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(vid_edit_cd)[fanmix]_ 'while i walked down to the beach' hi new-order'ers, [mp3] ok, here's my RE-creation of the 'blue monday (video edit)'... if you want a shorter version, without having to listen to all 7+minutes of the full version, this is it.. it's basically an edit of the 12" from the 0min:38sec mark -> 5min:12sec..(i've redone for myself in digital format).... feel free to post your thoughts on it... NOTE : THIS IS A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAN THE USUAL MIXES [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> fan mixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> fan mixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-blue_monday(vid_edit_cd)[160k].mp3 info - ----- fan made remix technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 5652897 bytes Length: 282 seconds <- 4min42sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 10829 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= - ------------------------- 'how does it feel?' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:53:32 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Retro CDR Acetate > -----Original Message----- > From: albrecht [mailto:albrecht@nme.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:23 PM > > I know I'm an ignorant; but what is CDR acetate? Kind of like a test-press, but for CDs. Some are used as promos, some are used for listening to mixing-levels etc. Some are rare, some are mega-rare, and some are not that rare. Kind of like test-press, but for CDs... :) > NEW ORDER Retro -- (UK 57 track 4x CDR acetate for box set + press > release etc) 45.00 > > Does it look better in the shelf than the regular one? The one I have (5x CDR) doesn't come in the booklet. Each CDR has the Retro-eagle-discoball picture on the sleeve and a typical CDR tracklisting on the other side. Looks very thin in the bookshelf... T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:56:11 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) US Retro Question Hey people I *totally* forgot about the US Retro with bonus DVD. Shit. What's the scoop, isi t still possible to buy? Shit, I cannot fucking believe that I forgot all about the DVD, my mind is on another solar system at the moment. thanks in advance/ Mike xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:00:48 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question Yup, not out yet... Can be pre-ordered from CD Universe (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=MUSIC&pid=5598390&cart=1351 00575) or Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000088EBF/qid=1043283677/sr= 8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-3188841-1402314?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) and more. l8rs, Nick ;-) > Hey people > I *totally* forgot about the US Retro with bonus DVD. Shit. What's the > scoop, isi t still possible to buy? Shit, I cannot fucking believe that I > forgot all about the DVD, my mind is on another solar system at > the moment. > > thanks in advance/ > Mike xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:03:09 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question BTW, talking about CD Universe, they're listing Retro+Bonus CD at: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=5530899&style=MUSIC&frm=mm_122 03 With a release date of January 28th... Personally, I'd e-mail them beforehand and make sure that it definitely will include the bonus CD! l8rs, Nick ;-) > Yup, not out yet... > > Can be pre-ordered from CD Universe > (http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=MUSIC&pid=5598390 > &cart=1351 > 00575) or Amazon > (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000088EBF/qid=1043 > 283677/sr= > 8-4/ref=sr_8_4/104-3188841-1402314?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) and more. > > l8rs, > > > Nick ;-) > > > Hey people > > I *totally* forgot about the US Retro with bonus DVD. Shit. What's the > > scoop, isi t still possible to buy? Shit, I cannot fucking > believe that I > > forgot all about the DVD, my mind is on another solar system at > > the moment. > > > > thanks in advance/ > > Mike xx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:05:09 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) US Retro Question DVD is with International, not Retro... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On = Behalf Of GaoBest@aol.com Sent: January 22, 2003 19:56 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) US Retro Question Hey people I *totally* forgot about the US Retro with bonus DVD. Shit. What's the = scoop, isi t still possible to buy? Shit, I cannot fucking believe that = I=20 forgot all about the DVD, my mind is on another solar system at the = moment. thanks in advance/ Mike xx - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:08:08 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) USA international w/ bonus DVD? What's the scoop on the USA International w/ bonus DVD? Now I cannot remembe.r. Which product comes with the bonus DVD, is it Retro or International? Jeez. thanks xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:09:29 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) USA international w/ bonus DVD? International - not out yet, can pre-order it from online stores in advance! ;-> l8rs, Nick ;-) > What's the scoop on the USA International w/ bonus DVD? Now I cannot > remembe.r. Which product comes with the bonus DVD, is it Retro or > International? Jeez. > thanks > xox > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (Fac33) _remastering_or_different_retro_versions?_ On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Warren Lapham wrote: > > Then again, True Faith on Retro has the same mastering errors as Substance, hmmmm........ > > speaking of remastering errors and differences between versions on Retro and > Substance... > > the studio version of Ceremony on my copy of Retro (UK version) seems to have a > mastering error. the high-hat drops out for about two seconds, between 1:53 and > 1:55 of the track. > > my (European) copy of International does not have this flaw. > > anyone else notice this? just to follow-up on my own message (is that a sign of some kind?)... the mastering error in True Faith on Retro (at 1:12 ?) is also not present on my copy of International. *shakes head in resignation* - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:05:25 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Hey kids, I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the original 12" and not Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't remember seeing any CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't even remember. cheers Mike xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:47:25 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro > -----Original Message----- > From: GaoBest@aol.com [mailto:GaoBest@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:05 AM > > Hey kids, > I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the > original 12" and not > Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't > remember seeing any > CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have > something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't > even remember. Already covered, but we can talk about it again. Yes, Retro Confusion is the original. Apparantly it also exists on the compilation The Perfect Beats volume 2. I don't have that compilation so I can't confirm. Those would be the only places with the original Confusion in digital format. T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:10:41 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order__in_a_lonely_place(7inch)_ 'someday we will die in your dreams' hi new-order'ers, [files] ok, i'm still doing all the very early 'new order' tracks..... here is the original version of 'in a lonely place'.... another track lost, and not represented on 'retro', or 'international'.... [history] new order's first release, and has 'ceremony' on the a-side, this was actually a joy division song though.. however it appears only on the vinyl release, and not on cd... [review] a very haunting, drawn-out, slow dramatic song...it's hard to listen to at times.. because its so foreboding, and dark in its tone..with death and gloom around.. bernard sings it very carefully, and the words are very moving and mournful....when he sings 'How I wish we were here with you now', that really is chilling.. sometimes when you're in the mood for it, it can be very comforting to listen to... this version is somewhat similiar to the later version that appears on cd.. but its a shorter edit of the full 12".. i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- new_order-in_a_lonely_place(7inch)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the uk 7" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 5425632 bytes Length: 271 seconds <-4min31sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 10393 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- Ceremony Fac 33 [March 1981] 7": AU 1981 (EMI/Gap SFA-541) 7": FR 1981 (Factory/Virgin 101 578) 7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [gold sleeve] 7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [testpress] [matrix #LYN9479] 4:34 a) Ceremony 4:35 b) In a Lonely Place - ------------------------- 'how i wish you were here with me now' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:48 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Are you sure it's not the Rough Mix? At least on the other Baker Compilation (Breakin), it's the rough mix.. I can't say, but from the AMG site, the time fits the Rough Mix.. I checked, I entered "Rough Mix Edit 5:24" on my page... honestly, it might be an edit of the Original 12", but according to AMG, it's 5:24 only.. I know it's never 100% accurate though. Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: GaoBest@aol.com [mailto:GaoBest@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:05 AM >> >> Hey kids, >> I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the >> original 12" and not >> Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't >> remember seeing any >> CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have >> something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't >> even remember. > > Already covered, but we can talk about it again. Yes, Retro Confusion is the original. Apparantly it also exists on the compilation The Perfect Beats volume 2. I don't have that compilation so I can't confirm. > > Those would be the only places with the original Confusion in digital format. > > T. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:59:05 +0000 From: Nick King Subject: Re: Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Yup, that sounds right - I've got a CD-R of 'The Perfect Beats Vol 2' at home, and it isn't the original mix, and Nic's times sound about right. At the moment, I'm at work, but can check later on tonight! l8rs, Nick ;-) > > From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" > > Are you sure it's not the Rough Mix? > > At least on the other Baker Compilation (Breakin), it's the rough mix.. I > can't say, but from the AMG site, the time fits the Rough Mix.. > > I checked, I entered "Rough Mix Edit 5:24" on my page... honestly, it might > be an edit of the Original 12", but according to AMG, it's 5:24 only.. I > know it's never 100% accurate though. > > Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) writes: > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: GaoBest@aol.com [mailto:GaoBest@aol.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:05 AM > >> > >> Hey kids, > >> I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the > >> original 12" and not > >> Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't > >> remember seeing any > >> CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have > >> something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't > >> even remember. > > > > Already covered, but we can talk about it again. Yes, Retro Confusion is the original. Apparantly it also exists on the compilation The Perfect Beats volume 2. I don't have that compilation so I can't confirm. > > > > Those would be the only places with the original Confusion in digital format. > > > > T. > > ------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:58:24 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (confusion about Confusion) Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Ooops sorry, meant to say the Streetwise 12", not Factory 12" (which I have but never play - I preferred to play Streetwise 12" instead)... I don't even know the differences between the Streetwise and Factory 12" singles but know that there are more songs on the Streetwise 12". Is any of the 1990 Arthur Baker 12" on CD format? I still can't believe that Arthur Baker looks the way he looks. I had this image of a suave blonde prettyboy. I didn't picture a Cossack (but a very sexy rough Cossack). Also can't figure out why he didn't have a better "seat" at the Shoreline in 2001. xox Mike In a message dated 1/23/03 7:06:05 AM, GaoBest@aol.com writes: << Hey kids, I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the original 12" and not Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't remember seeing any CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't even remember. cheers Mike xx >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:24:41 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:59 PM > To: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) > Cc: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro > > Are you sure it's not the Rough Mix? Possibly. At least it's a track from the original Confusion 12"... :) Since it seems as we have a confirmation on the Rough Mix, I'll update the Discography accordingly. Thanks. T> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:04:00 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro I believe my "source" was samples on Barnes & Nobles' website, it didn't sound like the Retro version. http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?sourceid=3D00401402265= 41469 2576&ean=3D016998121627&bfdate=3D01-23-2003+20:57:51 You can see the sample there... Judge for yourself! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On = Behalf Of Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) Sent: January 23, 2003 15:25 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro Possibly. At least it's a track from the original Confusion 12"... :) = Since it seems as we have a confirmation on the Rough Mix, I'll update the Discography accordingly. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:54:48 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_temptation(full)[fanmix]_ 'oh you've got green eyes' hi neworder'ers [files] well t proposed this idea, from the new order discography.. - -------------------------------- [T.Ivarsson] The 7" has a cold start and fade out end, the 12" has a fade in start and a cold end. The rumor is, to experience the total Temptation one should paste the two versions together to a complete song with cold start and cold end. - ---- (this sounds like an interesting idea, i'll look into it..) - -------------------------------- so, i've gone and done it.. however i used the 'something wild mix'+full 12" mix, that way they both could be from digital sources... it's kinda cool hearing the song from beginning to end... feel free to post your thoughts on it... check it out.. [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> fan remix or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> fan remix ================================= - ---------------- track - ----- 1 - new_order-temptation(full)[160k].mp3 info - -------------------------- Size: 10243785 bytes Length: 512 seconds <-8min42sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 19624 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None later | || ||| || || n e g a tive 1 'and i've never' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:31:43 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: (Fac33) New Rock promo on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2502083026&category=2252 Nice item at a decent price, so far... T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:41:59 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_mesh_ 'We made a contract' hi neworder'ers [files] heres the song that is constantly getting confused with 'cries and whispers'.. (there have been huge debates about which was which).. but its not...its called 'mesh'.. for some reason, it got mislabelled, and even on 'substance' it was wrong.. its hard to find this on cd sometimes, though it is on cd-single for 'everythings gone green', and on the canadian '1981-fep31-1982' also.. it has not appeared on 'retro', 'international', or 'substance'...... [review] this is a great song, if you've never heard it before, and like the early new order sound, you should like this also.. great lyrics, a great beat, good guitar work all 'mesh' together quite well i think.. i've moved the reference up higher, so you can check out the ACTUAL releases for it...(NOTE: many discographies haven't corrected their information yet)... this song information is confirmed by the information on the official new order 'retro' site..when they are talking about 'cries and whispers'.. 9. Cries & Whispers Original Version 3:25 Steve : Cries and Whispers is a great revelation because everyone thinks it's called Mesh. But it isn't. It was mislabelled in 1987 and nobody ever noticed. [reference] corrected from the new order discography - ------------------------------------------------ 1981-1982 New Order (EP) Factus 8 November 1982 LP: AU 1983 (Gap/Factory FACTUS 8) LP: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival L20080) LP: CA 1982 (PolyGram FEP 313-1) LP: CA 1982 (PolyGram FEP 313-1) [white label promo] LP: FR 1982 (Factory/Virgin 70 237) [promo with embossed stamp] LP: FR 1982 (Factory/Virgin 70237PM252) LP: IT 1982 (Factory/Base FACTUS 8) LP: NZ 1982 (Rough Trade/GAP FACTUS 8) [Promo] LP: UK 1982 (Factory FACTUS 8) LP: US 1982 (The Automatt FACTUS 8) [double sided acetate] LP: US 1982 (Factory/Rough Trade FACTUS 8) LP: US 1982 (FactoryUS FACTUS8) [Sticker "Factus Project"] LP: US 1982 (Factory/Rough Trade 15575(3)+50511) [grey background] LP: US 1982 (Record Tech. Inc FACTUS 8-RE-117167) [testpress] CS: AU 1983 (Factory/Gap ???) CS: CA 1982 (PolyGram FEP 313-4) CS: CA 198? (PolyGram 830 408-4) CS: IT 1982 (Factory/Base FACTUS 8 MC) CS: UK 1982 (Factory FACTUS 8) CD: CA 1989 (PolyGram 830 408-2) ** 8:47 Temptation 8:03 Hurt 5:30 Everything's Gone Green 4:27 Procession 3:02 Mesh * Everything's Gone Green FBNL 8 December 1981 12": BL 1981 (Factory Benelux FBNL 8) 12": JP 1983 (Crepuscule Au Japon/Shinseido Sirius SC-53) CD5: BL 1990 (Factory Benelux FBN 8 CD) 5:33 Everything's Gone Green 3:25 Cries and Whispers 3:00 Mesh - --------------------------------------- i've transferred the track from digital sources on cd, so the quality should be excellent.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... check it out.. [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes ================================= - ---------------- track - ----- 1 - new_order-mesh[160k].mp3 info - -------------------------- Size: 3638334 bytes Length: 181 seconds <- 3min01sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 6969 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None later | || ||| || || n e g a tive 1 'I don't know, Nobody knows' ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #8 ******************************* ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .