From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #9 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 009 (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD (Fac33) [reply] -> _confusion_cd_releases_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _more_confusion_ (Fac33) _arthur_baker_on_confusion_ (Fac33) Re: Confusion (Fac33) Milk spewing from my nose! RE: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD (Fac33) temptation from retro Re: (Fac33) temptation from retro Re: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" Re: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" (Fac33) Gabrielle's Wish Re: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" RE: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(12inch_mix)_ (Fac33) [listing] -> _recycle_disc02_ (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _blue_monday_video_ RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ Re: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ RE: (Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ (Fac33) [update] -> [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(12inch_mix)_ (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ (Fac33) New Order 3 16...5 11...Crystal Live EP font (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(rough_mix)_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:50:38 -0000 From: "John Gardner" Subject: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD Watched my shiny new copy of the DVD last night. LTD Edition No. 1003. = Some really great extras =E2=80=A2 Disc1 BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE- Audio commentary featuring Tony Wilson/Audio = commentary featuring Steve Coogan and Andrew Eaton;=20 SLEEVE NOTES - Who's who in 24 Hour party People;=20 UNKNOWN PLEASURES - 24 Deleted scenes;=20 PILLS 'N' THRILLS AND BELLYACHES - Interviews with Arthur Baker, Mark = Radcliffe, Peter Saville, Dave Haslam, Tony Wilson, Dave Haslam; NEW ORDER 'HERE TO STAY - Music Video;=20 24FPS - Original Theatrical trailer=20 =E2=80=A2Disc 2 FROM THE FACTORY FLOOR - Commentary from Artists and friends form the = era including Peter Hook, Rowetta, Leroy Richardson, Bruce Mitchell, = Miranda Sawyer, Bobby Langley and Martin Moscrop=20 PORTRAIT OF A FILM MAKER - Micahel Winterbottom PETER SAVILLE GALLERY My favourite is =E2=80=98from the factory floor=E2=80=99 not just an = audio commentary but a video of all mentioned sitting around drinking = and swearing as the movie plays in the bottom left of screen, some = absolutely hilarious stuff. Hooky manages to say =E2=80=98fuck=E2=80=99 = on average about 4-6 times per minute. =E2=98=BA Folks, you gotta get this disc. Away to watch the rest of the =E2=80=988 Hours of bonus = material=E2=80=99. Cheers John G P.S. For those stateside Region 1 is only $15.89 = http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=3DMGD004028 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:51:10 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _confusion_cd_releases_ [reply] as was mentioned in a past ceremony message (i thought it was the original 'confusion' mix: "arthur baker" breakin (2 cd set) Disc: 2 1. Confusion - New Order 2. Looking for the Perfect Beat - Afrika Bambaataa 3. Walking on Sunshine - Rockers Revenge 4. Happiness Is Just Around the Bend - Cuba Gooding 5. Love Supreme [Arthur's Jazz House Mix] - Will Downing 6. Back to the Scene of the Crime - Incredible Mr. Freeze 7. Put the Needle to the Record - Criminal Element Orchestra 8. Big Love [House Upon the Hill Mix] - Fleetwood Mac 9. Breaker's Revenge 10. Play at Your Own Risk - 11. Planet Rock - Afrika Bambaataa later |||||| | | | ne ga tive1 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:47:25 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) confusion on Retro >> -----Original Message----- >> From: GaoBest@aol.com [mailto:GaoBest@aol.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:05 AM >> >> Hey kids, >> I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the >> original 12" and not >> Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't >> remember seeing any >> CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have >> something good. Or was this already talked about, I can't >> even remember. >Already covered, but we can talk about it again. Yes, Retro Confusion is the original. Apparantly >it also exists on the compilation The Perfect Beats volume 2. I don't have that compilation so I >>can't confirm. >Those would be the only places with the original Confusion in digital format. >T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:22:25 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _more_confusion_ 'you just can't believe me' [reply] hmmm..more confusion... >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:58:48 -0500 >From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" >Subject: Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro >Are you sure it's not the Rough Mix? >At least on the other Baker Compilation (Breakin), it's the rough mix.. I >can't say, but from the AMG site, the time fits the Rough Mix.. >I checked, I entered "Rough Mix Edit 5:24" on my page... honestly, it might >be an edit of the Original 12", but according to AMG, it's 5:24 only.. I >know it's never 100% accurate though. when i checked the 'all music guide' it said this...are you looking at a different one? http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=10:04:08|AM&sql=A6yfqoa8aqijv 17. Confusion performed by New Order - 8:02 >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:58:24 EST >From: GaoBest@aol.com >Subject: (confusion about Confusion) Re: (Fac33) confusion on Retro >Ooops sorry, meant to say the Streetwise 12", not Factory 12" (which I have >but never play - I preferred to play Streetwise 12" instead)... I don't even >know the differences between the Streetwise and Factory 12" singles but know >that there are more songs on the Streetwise 12". are there? when i checked the discography, they seemed the same... 12": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) [white label promo] 8:13 Confusion * 5:19 Confusion Beats 7:33 Confusion Instrumental 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix >Is any of the 1990 Arthur Baker 12" on CD format? >xox >Mike not that i know of (they're not really that good though)... however i'll be putting up ALL the vinyl 'confusion' mixes soon enough, and you can check them... later | || | | | | ne gativ e 1 'confusion' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:26:13 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _arthur_baker_on_confusion_ here's some info from arthur baker: i think it's a little presumptious, but whatever.... [link] http://www.theku.com/theku.nsf/0/A39063DC44C598C380256AF1004C94D8?OpenDocume nt&channel=music [excerpt] Arthur Baker: Pre-Intro: As key producer behind hip hop's first definitive record Afrika Bambaata's Planet Rock, Arthur Baker already ranks as one of the key parents of today's electronic music world. That he also transformed New Order into one of the world's biggest bands while finding time to help Madonna start her career, also indicates the enormous talent that remains inside the former New Yorker, who also produced such disco anthems as Rockers Revenge Walking On Sunshine and Freeze's I.O.U. And since the 80s, he's remained prolific, these days producing funky breaks driven music alongside modern contemporaries including Dave Clarke, Felix Da Housecat and Timo Maas. His new compilation album 'Breakin' includes all his best old skool productions and a selection of new stuff and is a fine representation of one man's enormous contributions to today's club world. Klub Universe: How did you choose which tracks to include; I'm surprised you chose New Order's Confusion over Blue Monday? Arthur Baker: "I didn't actually do Blue Monday, I consulted them on it but didn't actually produce it. That's a common misconception which I think they spread when it came out." Klub Universe: Peter Hook told us recently how New Order were nervous when they met you, what do you remember about the first time you met them? Arthur Baker: "They were very quiet and they didn't have any songs. We went to my friend's studio in Brooklyn, stood around the synthesizers and keyboards and just looked at each other. We ended up writing Confusion and Thieves Like Us so we did quite well for two days of writing. I remember sitting in a room writing the lyrics of Confusion together and smoking a lot of spliff (marijuana)." Klub Universe: Did you have preconceived ideas of what you wanted to do with them? Arthur Baker: "Not really, though at the time I was known for certain beats and that's what I brought to the records. I programmed the drums on both tracks and I also named both of them. They were true collaborations, it was like me joining the band, which is what I like to do. I don't like to be 'The producer'." later | | | || | || ne ga tiv e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:37:38 -0500 (GMT) From: Michael Subject: (Fac33) Re: Confusion "Hey kids,I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the original 12" and not Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't remember seeing any CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have something good." How about the version on the Japanese laserdisk "The Best of New Order"? Does that count? michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Cameron - IST Subject: (Fac33) Milk spewing from my nose! A while back I commented on Ladytron vs NewOrder -- the red stripe on their "light and magic" album ala "get ready" -- and the two songs "turn it on" vs "Best & Marsh". Well, the ad for "light and magic" in MUZIK mag states: "Could well be the 21st century New Order -- NME". Maybe NewOrder's in the studio right now working on an electroclash album :^) Bri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:20:39 -0000 From: "John Gardner" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD Woops, forgot to add: PILLS 'N' THRILLS AND BELLYACHES - Interviews with Arthur Baker, Mark Radcliffe, Peter Saville, Dave Haslam, Tony Wilson, Dave Haslam; AND Tim Booth, JAMES, John Ronson (tosser - ed), and Shaun Ryder Don't know when the Shaun Ryder interview was filmed but it's pretty horrific. Shaun looks 'half cut' (Glaswegian term that), and twenty years older than he should. Shaking involuntary, and seriously overweight/unwell. A living statement that the drugs really don't work. Sorry to say his epitaph looks to be written in the near future. :-( JG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:54:24 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) temptation from retro I obviously am not reading the Retro related posts. So now what's the scoop on temptation, is this from the 12"/1981-1982 ep, or from something else? Sorry for being such a ditz, I'm just confused. I had assumed it was the Substance version. ditzy me Mikexx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:57:45 -0800 From: "Jeff Sheldon" Subject: Re: (Fac33) temptation from retro It is indeed the 12"/1981-1982 version, which is a shame, would've loved to have had the 7" version on cd. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: (Fac33) temptation from retro > I obviously am not reading the Retro related posts. So now what's the scoop > on temptation, is this from the 12"/1981-1982 ep, or from something else? > Sorry for being such a ditz, I'm just confused. I had assumed it was the > Substance version. > > ditzy me > Mikexx > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:24:50 -0000 From: "John Saunders" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD Does anybody know if these interviews are the ones that were on the Channel 4 Twenty Four Hour Party People program that was broadcast last year? The Shaun Ryder description certainly matches the state he was in then, he could hardly open his eyes. Cheers, John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gardner" To: "New Order" Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Extras on 24 Hour Party People DVD > Woops, forgot to add: > > PILLS 'N' THRILLS AND BELLYACHES - Interviews with Arthur Baker, Mark > Radcliffe, Peter Saville, Dave Haslam, Tony Wilson, Dave Haslam; > > AND > > Tim Booth, JAMES, John Ronson (tosser - ed), and Shaun Ryder > > > Don't know when the Shaun Ryder interview was filmed but it's pretty > horrific. Shaun looks 'half cut' (Glaswegian term that), and twenty > years older than he should. Shaking involuntary, and seriously > overweight/unwell. A living statement that the drugs really don't work. > > Sorry to say his epitaph looks to be written in the near future. :-( > > JG > > > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:54:17 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" Hey kids, Just read on the Dieter Bohlen list that CC Catch had a new song called "Walk in Silence" back in 2001 or so. Does anyone know if it's based on "Atmosphere" - I've not heard it myself. But Dieter/CC are very good at taking "popular" songs and reworking them for their own advantage... Er, and if you do'nt know who Dieter Bohlen/CC Catch are, then you're best off keeping it that way :-) xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:07:11 -0500 From: "michael roehr" Subject: Re: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" > Er, and if you do'nt know who Dieter Bohlen/CC Catch are, then you're best > off keeping it that way :-) Modern Talking! Dieter runs the German equivalent of American Idol overseas.. i think he's playing the part of Simon as well :P mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:25:09 +0100 From: "mick_wave" Subject: (Fac33) Gabrielle's Wish I hope I'm the last to find the Gabrielle's Wish site ( http://www.gabrielleswish.co.uk ) and you all have already checked the Audio section with three amazing MP3s. I've always loved this band, since I saw them supporting New Order at the Apollo reunion in 1998. They were the perfect soundtrack to the suburban area where the theatre is placed. It's really frustrating this band formed 10 years ago and never released an album, they'd have been a great Factory band in the right decade. The site is updated only to half last year. Any idea if they still exist, especially from our Mancunian chums? Great great great... best band of the 90s! mick: mick973@email.it Retro reviewed: http://stop.at/theneworders - -- Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: E' PROduttiva, PROfessionale, PROtetta...č Email.it Pro15 o Pro 50 la casella pių efficiente che puoi trovare. Clicca qui: http://adv2.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1046&d=26-1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:35:27 -0000 From: "John Barnes" Subject: Re: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" Isn't he (Dieter) the guy from 'Yello'?? Cheers John B - ----- Original Message ----- From: michael roehr To: Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" > > Er, and if you do'nt know who Dieter Bohlen/CC Catch are, then you're best > > off keeping it that way :-) > > Modern Talking! > > Dieter runs the German equivalent of American Idol overseas.. i think he's > playing the part of Simon as well :P > > > mike > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:40:44 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) CC Catch's "walk in silence" Doesn't look like it - http://users.pandora.be/dieter.bohlen/ Oh my God - just briefly looked at that site!! ;-> l8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > > > Isn't he (Dieter) the guy from 'Yello'?? > > Cheers > John B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael roehr > > > > > Er, and if you do'nt know who Dieter Bohlen/CC Catch are, then you're > best > > > off keeping it that way :-) > > > > Modern Talking! > > > > Dieter runs the German equivalent of American Idol overseas.. i > think he's > > playing the part of Simon as well :P > > > > > > mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:38:14 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(12inch_mix)_ 'confusion' hi new-order'ers, [files] since we've talking about 'confusion' so much lately, i've posted the original 12" version...and i'll follow up with the vinyl only 'beat's, and 'rough mix'.... have we figured out if its on cd yet? (i'm sure some of the compilations have it now).. but of course not 'substance', or 'international... [history] new order's 8th release, they release several different mixes of this on the 12", and a few 7" mixes do exist, but are harder to find.. they even made a video for it when they went to new york. [review] this is the original song that they co-wrote with arthur baker.. yet another classic, electro track that spread the boundaries of 'new order' in the club/disco scene... they've re-released it a few times now, and just recently the 2002 mixes came out.. its not one of my favorite songs. but it has its interesting parts... i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-confusion(12inch)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the us 12" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 9875853 bytes Length: 493 seconds <-8min13sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 18919 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) [promo] 12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14827) 12": BL 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": CA 1983 (Polygram FACX 13) 12": FR 1983 (Factory/Virgin 600893) 12": GE 1983 (Rough Trade LC5661) [yellow label] 12": HO 1983 (Factory 08-22687-20) 12": IT 1983 (Factory/Base FAC 93) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) [promo] 12": NZ 1983 (EMI GOOD 501) 12": SP 1983 (Nuevos Medios 31 046 M) 12": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) [white label promo] CMS: AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FACC 93) 8:13 Confusion * 5:19 Confusion Beats 7:33 Confusion Instrumental 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix - ------------------------- 'when i tell you things' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:45:52 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [listing] -> _recycle_disc02_ [listing] here's a temporary listing for the second disc of my boxed set for 'recycle'... i haven't decided whether to take out track 3) confusion 7" (since i don't have a good copy of that yet)... and replace it with 'thieves like us (7" instrumental edit)... that way, all the 'thieves like us' mixes would be on the same disc.. however, that would break the chronological order, as it appeared on the b-side of 'shellshock'... new order box set technical data - ----------------------------- [v0.1] by -1 analysis - - disc 02 blue monday/the beach/confusion/thieves like us/murder - ------------------------------------------------ No Title Format Time Notes - ------------------------------------------------ 1 Blue Monday CD 7:27 From 'Blue Monday' 12" 2 The Beach CD 7:17 From 'Blue Monday' 12" 3 Confusion 7" 4:11 From 'Confusion' 7" 4 Confusion CD 8:13 From 'Confusion' 12" 5 Confused Beats 12" 6:31 From 'Confusion' 12" 6 Confusion Instrumental CD 7:36 From 'Confusion' 12" 7 Confusion Rough Mix CD 8:05 From 'Confusion' 12" 8 Thieves Like Us 7" 3:56 From 'Thieves Like Us' 7" 9 Lonesome Tonight 7" 3:54 From 'Thieves Like Us' 7" 10 Thieves Like Us CD 6:35 From 'Thieves Like Us' 12" 11 Lonesome Tonight CD 5:09 From 'Thieves Like Us' 12" 12 Murder CD 3:54 From 'Murder' 12" 72:48 13 Thieves Like Us Instrumental CD 6:55 From 'Murder' 12" 79:43 ???? instead of 3 confusion (7") Thieves Like Us (Instrumental Edit) 7" 3:56 From 'Shellshock 7" - ------------------------------------- transcription : -1 research : -1 layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : no thanx : no (c) : 2003 generic Designs - ------------------------------------- later || | || || ne gati ve1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:55:18 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ ok, i'm just curious, is it 'standard' practice for times reported on records to be completely wrong than the actual times? or is it just a 'typo' or 'labelling' error by the art department? case in point : 'blue monday' substance US 2xlp (from the discography): 2xLP: AR 1987 (DG 226/227) [no "1987", all titles in spanish] 2xLP: AU 1987 (Factory/CBS FACT 200) 2xLP: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 616-1) 2xLP: FR 1987 (Virgin 60057PM617) 2xLP: GE 1987 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 50) 2xLP: GR 1987 (Virgin VG-50292/93) 2xLP: JP 1987 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YZ-185-6) 2xLP: PL 1987 (Tonpress SX-t 170/171) 2xLP: SW 1987 (Factory/MNW FACT 200) 2xLP: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200) 2xLP: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] + 2xLP: US 1987 (Qwest 9 25621-1) [Disc 1] 8:12 Blue Monday and if you had the record and looked at it, it would say '8:12' also.. so what? well, as it turns out, this is about 45sec longer than the actual version.. anyways, i finally got a chance to check this, to see if it was right.. of course, it wasn't, and it was just the standard 7:29 version.. but this always bothered me... not just this record label.. but i'm sure i have hundreds of records where this is messed up... is it that hard to get it right????? what a pain in the neck... (by the way,the cassette/cd/dat versions all have the right time i think)... i was just wondering why the people that buy records are always getting the short end of the deal when it comes to the details.. (and yes, i know a lot of cd's are messed up also, but not as badly).. later | || | || |||| ne gat iv e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:26:35 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _blue_monday_video_ 'when your heart grows cold' [reply] hey t, From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(video)_ > -----Original Message----- >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:33 AM >> >> [review] >> >> this is an interesting version >> of 'blue monday'.. >> >> it's probably the ONLY real >> official edit that exists >> of the song.. >I have always considered promotional releases as official as well. In that case, the JP 7" promo >>edit should be another official edit. And perhaps the UK 7" promo - although the ball is still up >in the air on that one... what i should have said, was the only COMMERCIALLY available edit, yes, there were promo only edits, but we can't just go out and buy those now either..(and yes i realize the 'shorts' video is 'out of print') >> >> this version is transferred >> from an analog video source, >> so the sound quality isn't >> that great...i've reduced >> some of the hiss on it.. >Wouldn't it be relatively easy to do your own edit of the original video-edit and then sync it to >the video? >I have never been able to track down the Shorts VHS (for a reasonable price), is the video >>>>>>>>available anywhere as a download? >T> yes, it would be easy to do.. provided i had a good copy of the original video (which i dont).. it would be nice to remaster some of the original videos.. but i haven't gotten to that point yet, as video remastering is much more of a hassle than audio....(since i have a slow computer).. anyways, i thought one of the new order site hosted a lot of videos, but they appear to be down.. i have a real video version somewhere, and if i dig it up, i'll try to post it for you... later || || | | | | ne ga tiv e 1 'i thought i told you' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:48:13 -0000 From: "Duddridge Lee " Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ On a similar note, I have this weekend been compiling a Technique Plus = CDR for my car... I had to encode the Fine Time and Round &Rounds CDSingles to get the = appropriate mixes & B-Sides and I was surprised to see that despite the PC (Windows Media Player) = recognising the artist & cd title the individual track titles it came up with were completely jumbled. The FT CDS was even supposed to have Fine Line on it (I wish!) which is = onlly available on a vinyl 12". - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: 26 January 2003 21:55 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ ok, i'm just curious, is it 'standard' practice for times reported on records to be completely wrong than the actual times? or is it just a 'typo' or 'labelling' error by the art department? case in point : 'blue monday' substance US 2xlp (from the discography): 2xLP: AR 1987 (DG 226/227) [no "1987", all titles in spanish] 2xLP: AU 1987 (Factory/CBS FACT 200) 2xLP: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 616-1) 2xLP: FR 1987 (Virgin 60057PM617) 2xLP: GE 1987 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 50) 2xLP: GR 1987 (Virgin VG-50292/93) 2xLP: JP 1987 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YZ-185-6) 2xLP: PL 1987 (Tonpress SX-t 170/171) 2xLP: SW 1987 (Factory/MNW FACT 200) 2xLP: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200) 2xLP: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200S) [gatefold sleeve] + 2xLP: US 1987 (Qwest 9 25621-1) [Disc 1] 8:12 Blue Monday and if you had the record and looked at it, it would say '8:12' also.. so what? well, as it turns out, this is about 45sec longer than the actual version.. anyways, i finally got a chance to check this, to see if it was right.. of course, it wasn't, and it was just the standard 7:29 version.. but this always bothered me... not just this record label.. but i'm sure i have hundreds of records where this is messed up... is it that hard to get it right????? what a pain in the neck... (by the way,the cassette/cd/dat versions all have the right time i think)... i was just wondering why the people that buy records are always getting the short end of the deal when it comes to the details.. (and yes, i know a lot of cd's are messed up also, but not as badly).. later | || | || |||| ne gat iv e 1 =0A= =0A= Confidentiality and Disclaimer: This email and its attachments are = intended for the addressee only and may be confidential or the subject = of legal privilege. If this email and its attachments have come to you = in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy them, = distribute them or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender to = notify us of the error. This email and any attached files have been = scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised = that you open any attachments at your own risk. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:11:45 -0600 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ Fine Line is on the Canadian Fine Time CD single. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duddridge Lee " The FT CDS was even supposed to have Fine Line on it (I wish!) which is onlly available on a vinyl 12". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:45:49 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ That's the "problem", those database mostly have the US Releases.. You = must make sure it's the good one when you pick it ;) Or else you'll find Blue Monday on PC&L for no reason ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On = Behalf Of Duddridge Lee=20 Sent: January 27, 2003 04:48 To: -1; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ On a similar note, I have this weekend been compiling a Technique Plus = CDR for my car... I had to encode the Fine Time and Round &Rounds CDSingles to get the appropriate mixes & B-Sides and I was surprised to see that despite the = PC (Windows Media Player) recognising the artist & cd title the individual track titles it came up with were completely jumbled. The FT CDS was = even supposed to have Fine Line on it (I wish!) which is onlly available on a vinyl 12". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:54:09 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ [reply] actually, the canadian cd-single has all the mixes, from the new order discography: - --------- CD5: CA 1988 (PolyGram 827 277-2) 4:42 Fine Time 4:30 Don't Do It 4:43 Fine Line 6:15 Fine Time (silk mix) 4:35 Fine Time (messed around mix) later || | | ||| || ne gati ve 1 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Duddridge Lee Sent: January 27, 2003 04:48 To: -1; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ >On a similar note, I have this weekend been compiling a Technique Plus CDR >for my car... >I had to encode the Fine Time and Round &Rounds CDSingles to get the >appropriate mixes & B-Sides and I was surprised to see that despite the PC >(Windows Media Player) recognising the artist & cd title the individual >track titles it came up with were completely jumbled. The FT CDS was even >supposed to have Fine Line on it (I wish!) which is onlly available on a >vinyl 12". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:56:29 -0000 From: "Duddridge Lee " Subject: RE: (Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ Thanks for the enlightening responses! :-) But ... Further Confusion: The MS DBase didn't include the Messed Around Mix !! I give up - technology can only take you so far - and who ever said = Neworder made sense ;-) Cheers Lee - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: 27 January 2003 13:54 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ [reply] actually, the canadian cd-single has all the mixes, from the new order discography: - --------- CD5: CA 1988 (PolyGram 827 277-2) 4:42 Fine Time 4:30 Don't Do It 4:43 Fine Line 6:15 Fine Time (silk mix) 4:35 Fine Time (messed around mix) later || | | ||| || ne gati ve 1 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On = Behalf Of Duddridge Lee Sent: January 27, 2003 04:48 To: -1; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _record_label_times_errors_ >On a similar note, I have this weekend been compiling a Technique Plus = CDR >for my car... >I had to encode the Fine Time and Round &Rounds CDSingles to get the >appropriate mixes & B-Sides and I was surprised to see that despite the = PC >(Windows Media Player) recognising the artist & cd title the individual >track titles it came up with were completely jumbled. The FT CDS was = even >supposed to have Fine Line on it (I wish!) which is onlly available on = a >vinyl 12". =0A= =0A= Confidentiality and Disclaimer: This email and its attachments are = intended for the addressee only and may be confidential or the subject = of legal privilege. If this email and its attachments have come to you = in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy them, = distribute them or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender to = notify us of the error. This email and any attached files have been = scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised = that you open any attachments at your own risk. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:34:03 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(12inch_mix)_ just in case you had trouble downloading this earlier.. i've changed the file name, and it works now.. let me know if you can get it.. or still have problems.. [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later | || | || | | | n eg ati ve 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:52:47 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ anyone know where i can find this cd? thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:01:52 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) New Order 3 16...5 11...Crystal Live EP font Hi. I know where you can get this font. http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/antique-olive/light/testdrive.html?s=New +Order+5+11+font&p=48 I think it also goes by the name Antigoni Light. Regards, FontSpotter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:15:10 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(rough_mix)_ 'confusion' hi new-order'ers, [files] since we're talking about 'confusion' so much lately, here's a very similar mix...'the rough mix' of confusion.. and no its not on 'substance', or 'international... however, you can compare it with the version on 'retro', and see which one it is.. [history] new order's 8th release, they release several different mixes of this on the 12", and a few 7" mixes do exist, but are harder to find.. they even made a video for it when they went to new york. [review] this is the original song that they co-wrote with arthur baker.. i haven't really listened to this enough , to tell how 'rough' it is.. there are some changes, but i don't really have them categorized.. i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-confusion(rough mix)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the us 12" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 9667395 bytes Length: 483 seconds <- 8min03sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 18519 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) [promo] 12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14827) 12": BL 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": CA 1983 (Polygram FACX 13) 12": FR 1983 (Factory/Virgin 600893) 12": GE 1983 (Rough Trade LC5661) [yellow label] 12": HO 1983 (Factory 08-22687-20) 12": IT 1983 (Factory/Base FAC 93) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) [promo] 12": NZ 1983 (EMI GOOD 501) 12": SP 1983 (Nuevos Medios 31 046 M) 12": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) [white label promo] CMS: AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FACC 93) 8:13 Confusion * 5:19 Confusion Beats 7:33 Confusion Instrumental 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix - ------------------------- 'when i tell you things' ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #9 ******************************* ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .