From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #10 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Saturday, February 1 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 010 Re: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(beats)_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _confusion(laserdisc)_ Re: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ RE: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ (Fac33) 23. May 2003 official Peter Saville Day... (Fac33) Confused? Confusion on CD... Re: (Fac33) Confused? Confusion on CD... (Fac33) [OT:update] -> _slow_server_ (Fac33) Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division Re: (Fac33) Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division (Fac33) Finsbury WIM Re: (Fac33) Gabrielle's Wish Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles (Fac33) collector question: jukebox 7" (Fac33) Here to Stay (Promo) RE: (Fac33) Here to Stay (Promo) (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ (Fac33) retro trade? (Fac33) [audio] -> _new_order_story_ (Fac33) Retro question Re: (Fac33) Retro question (Fac33) clarification on Mesh? RE: (Fac33) clarification on Mesh? (Fac33) (off-topic) sounds like Electronic and New Order (Fac33) [audio] -> _new_order_best_of(video_edits)_ (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_010203_ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(7inch_remix)___ (Fac33) [reply] -> [audio] -> _new_order_best_of(video_edits)_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:54:33 -0000 From: "Brian McGee" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ > anyone know where i can find this cd? > thanks in advance. I think you left it under the sofa in the back room. Anyone else think the Silk Mix is the best New Order mix from that era? VERY glad it made it to the box set. So no-one got my Joy Division pointless trivia question - or more likely - no-one could be arsed. There's about five seconds of the audience sound from the Amsterdam gig between two of the live tracks on Heart and Soul disc four, don't ask me why, but it's definitely edited in there! I think it's the audience sound from between Passover and Wilderness and it sounds like it's from the Red Line bootleg CD ! Sound like a nerd I know, but I just tend to notice this kind of shit. And shit it is. Tried sending an email to ahw@factory-u-net.com which is the email address for Tony Wilson on www.factoryrecords.com, but the address bounced back saying 'no such domain'! Typical Factory. What do people on this list think of the idea of a Joy Division DVD? I'm not taking the piss, I'm serious. - - Atmosphere & LWTUA promo videos - - BBC Something Else - - Granada Reports 1978 Shadowplay - - Granada Reports 1979 She's Lost Control - - Dutch TV Feb 1980 Transmission - - Eindhoven from Fact37 with improved sound from the bootleg. - - Three live tracks from 14.3.79 and anything else from the pulled substance video - - Anything else Wilson finds after a colonic irrigation - - If there were, say, 20 tracks in all, the DVD could be called "20 0" Bonus Features - - "In Conversation" - interviews from Something Else and any other such material around - - "Joy Division's Greatest Shit" - all the Manchester Apollo tracks from Oct79. Good idea or no? If done properly it could be amazing Brian > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:42:13 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion_(beats)_ 'confusion' hi new-order'ers, [files] since we're talking about 'confusion' so much lately, here's a very similar mix to the instrumental... the 'beats' version of confusion.. and no its not on 'retro', 'substance', or 'international... [history] new order's 8th release, they release several different mixes of this on the 12", and a few 7" mixes do exist, but are harder to find.. they even made a video for it when they went to new york. [review] this is the original song that they co-wrote with arthur baker.. its practically the same as the instrumental, but i haven't listened to it closely enough to tell all the differences.. i've also cleaned up some of the pops/clicks, and reduced the noise.. hope you enjoy it.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://www.negative1.net -> music -> data:mp3 -> new order -> remixes or http://www.negative1.net/mp3/neworder/newo.htm -> remixes later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-confusion(beats)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the us 12" technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 7736424 bytes Length: 386 seconds <-6min26sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 14820 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) 12": AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FAC 93) [promo] 12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14827) 12": BL 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": CA 1983 (Polygram FACX 13) 12": FR 1983 (Factory/Virgin 600893) 12": GE 1983 (Rough Trade LC5661) [yellow label] 12": HO 1983 (Factory 08-22687-20) 12": IT 1983 (Factory/Base FAC 93) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) 12": JP 1983 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7419-AX) [promo] 12": NZ 1983 (EMI GOOD 501) 12": SP 1983 (Nuevos Medios 31 046 M) 12": UK 1983 (Factory FAC 93) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) 12": US 1983 (Streetwise SWRL 2213) [white label promo] CMS: AU 1983 (Factory/Gap FACC 93) 8:13 Confusion * 5:19 Confusion Beats 7:33 Confusion Instrumental 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix - ------------------------- 'when i tell you things' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:48:24 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _confusion(laserdisc)_ [reply] no, that doesn't count either, it's the video version, which is basically the single version.. from the new order discography: - ------------------------------------- ? - (The Best Of) New Order [Dec 1994] LD: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POLD-1011) [NTSC] 4:23 True Faith-94 4:06 Regret 3:38 Run 3:47 Bizarre Love Triangle 3:06 Fine Time 9:10 The Perfect Kiss 3:12 Shellshock 3:55 Confusion 4:03 Blue Monday-88 3:46 Round & Round-94 3:47 World (Price of Love) 3:50 Ruined in a Day 3:30 State of the Nation 3:40 Touched by the Hand of God 3:56 World in Motion 3:44 Spooky 4:14 True Faith 3:43 Round & Round "Patti" - - Subtitled "They're afraid of what they see.." later | || | || | || || ne ga t i ve 1 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:37:38 -0500 (GMT) From: Michael Subject: (Fac33) Re: Confusion >>"Hey kids,I just realized that the Confusion on Retro was from the original 12" and >>not Substance version. Is this on CD anywhere else? I don't remember seeing >>any CDs with the original "Confusion" in which case, we'd definitely have >>something good." >How about the version on the Japanese laserdisk "The Best of New Order"? >Does that count? >michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:54:51 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ << I think you left it under the sofa in the back room. >> Hehe. I wish it was. Let me rephrase the question...Does anyone know where i can buy the Canadian Fine Time CD single? Its out of print and very hard to find. << Good idea or no? If done properly it could be amazing >> I would be interested in it. Regards ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:09:49 -0000 From: "Duddridge Lee " Subject: RE: (Fac33) Fac33) [reply] -> _fine_time(mixes)_ >Anyone else think the Silk Mix is the best New Order mix from that era? >VERY glad it made it to the box set. I agree it is a top remix & has made it onto my Technique Plus CDR but for me, the 12" Extended Run2 and Round&Round are better still. BTW, Technique Plus =3D the album with these 3 tracks substituted in,=20 plus DDI, B&M and VP instrumental.=20 (Just wish I had MTO & The Happy One on CD too ...) L8rs Lee =0A= =0A= Confidentiality and Disclaimer: This email and its attachments are = intended for the addressee only and may be confidential or the subject = of legal privilege. If this email and its attachments have come to you = in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy them, = distribute them or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender to = notify us of the error. This email and any attached files have been = scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised = that you open any attachments at your own risk. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:23:47 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Roland=20Metzger?= Subject: (Fac33) 23. May 2003 official Peter Saville Day... Hi all Thanks to the Factory Cerysmatic Website ( http://www.cerysmatic.clara.net/Factory/index.html?saville.html )we all can highlight the 23. May 2003 in our calendars: On this day the "Peter Saville Show" opens at the Design Museum in London AND a new 200-page book about THE MAN is being published. I think we can safely assume that Peter Saville will be opening the Show in London and maybe give a speech or so. Definitely would be something nice to see..... Cheer to all Roland - ----------------------------- Museum: The Peter Saville Show 23 May to 14 September 2003 The Design Museum, London - -------------------------------- Book: The new monograph chronicling Peter Saville's work for Factory Records and other labels since the late 1970s. The cover features an interesting discarded variation of the sleeve for Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures. The book features nearly 200 full colour pages and about 250 illustrations and is published by Frieze on 23 May 2003. For further information see the Magma Books website __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Weihnachts-Einkäufe ohne Stress! http://shopping.yahoo.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:39:46 +0000 From: Nick King Subject: (Fac33) Confused? Confusion on CD... Okay, here's what I know... The original 12" (including the Streetwise USA 12") contains the following versions of Confusion: 8:13 Confusion * 5:19 Confusion Beats 7:33 Confusion Instrumental 8:04 Confusion Rough Mix The first track, "Confusion" (8:13) is now available on Retro. The second track, "Confusion Beats" (5:19), I presume is the version on the "Perfect Beat Vol. 2" compilation, although I don't have this, yet. I have, however, ordered it and will be able to confirm next week! The third track, "Confusion Instrumental" (7:33) has been released on "Substance 1987". The final track, "Confusion Rough Mix" (8:04) is on the Arthur Baker CD "Breakin'". The video is also available on the US promo CD "Just Beat Suite 03" in a pc-format file, as well as the Japanese laserdisc. I will be able to confirm the "Perfect Beats 2" CD when it arrives. Errors/Corrections? l8rs, Nick ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:05:49 -0600 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Confused? Confusion on CD... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick King" > The second track, "Confusion Beats" (5:19), I presume is the version on the "Perfect Beat Vol. 2" compilation, although I don't have this, yet. I have, however, ordered it and will be able to confirm next week! > The version of "Confusion" on Perfect Beats vol. 2. is not "Confused beats." "Confused beats," as the name implies, is mostly beats. "Confusion" on PBv2 has most or all of the vox. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:50:49 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [OT:update] -> _slow_server_ hey no'ers, just wanted to let you know, in case you've been trying to download files..that i've been posting the links for.. the server is very slow, due to some kind of attack/virus/etc... it might be a day or two before it gets fixed.. thanks for your patience, and consideration... later ||| || || ||| ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:07:52 +0000 From: David Sydenham Subject: (Fac33) Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division I have just found this on amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000069HK3/qid=3D1043686880/sr=3D1-13/= r ef=3Dsr_1_2_13/202-3945617-5217440 Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division Can anybody tell me if this is worth the relatively hefty price of =A318? Ie does it have anything new. Or is it just another glossy box to make your collection look bigger? And whilst we=B9re on the subject, the same question applies to: John Peel Sessions Limited Vinyl LP Re-Pressed (UK)as featured on neworderonline.com Sorry if this has been mentioned anywhere else at an earlier date. thanks Dave=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:02:49 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division If you don't have them already, yes it's worth it... But if you have both CD, then there is no use since it's the same exact thing at the Glastonbury 87 show CD and the JD Peel Sessions CD. As for the re-pressed vinyl, bites me.. I've seen it on opal music, but I have no idea why they did 1000 new vinyl copies! David Sydenham writes: > I have just found this on amazon: > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000069HK3/qid=1043686880/sr=1-13/r > ef=sr_1_2_13/202-3945617-5217440 > > Before & After: The BBC Sessions [LIVE] [IMPORT] - New Order/Joy Division > > Can anybody tell me if this is worth the relatively hefty price of £18? Ie > does it have anything new. Or is it just another glossy box to make your > collection look bigger? > > And whilst we¹re on the subject, the same question applies to: John Peel > Sessions Limited Vinyl LP Re-Pressed (UK)as featured on neworderonline.com > > Sorry if this has been mentioned anywhere else at an earlier date. > > thanks > > Dave > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:23:56 -0000 From: "John Saunders" Subject: (Fac33) Finsbury WIM Looking through reviews of the Finsbury show on Amazon, somebody writes the following "I've always hated World in Motion, though there is something perverse about this being played alongside JD classics She's Lost Control & Digital". The review says its for the VHS version, not the DVD. I know they played WIM at Finsbury but is it really on the VHS tape? Sorry if this has been mentioned before. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:13:10 -0000 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gabrielle's Wish Still going as far as I know - they covered 'Elegia' at the recent Homage night, the day after the Move concert. Well, I say recent, but I guess it's seven months ago now! Their bass player, Darren, also did the Stockholm Cirkus gig with us in 2001. Cheers. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mick_wave" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: (Fac33) Gabrielle's Wish > I hope I'm the last to find the Gabrielle's Wish site ( > http://www.gabrielleswish.co.uk ) and you all have already checked the Audio > section with three amazing MP3s. > I've always loved this band, since I saw them supporting New Order at the > Apollo reunion in 1998. They were the perfect soundtrack to the suburban > area where the theatre is placed. > It's really frustrating this band formed 10 years ago and never released an > album, they'd have been a great Factory band in the right decade. > The site is updated only to half last year. Any idea if they still exist, > especially from our Mancunian chums? > Great great great... best band of the 90s! > > mick: mick973@email.it > > Retro reviewed: http://stop.at/theneworders > > > > > > > -- > Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > E' PROduttiva, PROfessionale, PROtetta...è Email.it Pro15 o Pro 50 la casella più efficiente che puoi trovare. > Clicca qui: http://adv2.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1046&d=26-1 > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:30:19 +0100 From: "mick_wave" Subject: Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Dignam Subject: Re: (Fac33) Rarities/ DVD titles > Honestly, they're not going to write another 1963. Behind Closed Doors Sabotage Player In The League Such A Good Thing All B-sides from GR and all excellent songs, some of which I prefer to the album tracks. *Hey Mark, I was just writing the same message with about the same words! :-) mick: mick973@email.it mesh: http://stop.at/meshweb - -- Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Tariffe promozionali per viaggiare in tutto il mondo, clicca e scopri dove prenotare Clicca qui: http://adv2.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1258&d=29-1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:26:58 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: (Fac33) collector question: jukebox 7" I recently got three so called "jukebox promos". All 7" singles came in a generic white sleeve and with a painted, silvery label (not glued paper), probably from a company called Zincmech (stapled jukebox label). The singles are: Regret, NUO1, groove notation: "NUO 1 A1" 1963, NUO6, groove notation: "NUO 6 A" BM95, NUO7, groove notation: "NV 07 A1" I don't have my regular 7" here so can anyone check theirs to see if the ones I have are any different from the ones released with a regular sleeve. On the same note, does anyone know for sure if these singles were released for the general public or if they were promo-only? T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:33:04 -0800 From: George S Subject: (Fac33) Here to Stay (Promo) A friend of mine got me a CD promo of Here to Stay, haven't seen this one mentioned on here yet...just fyi... It has no front cover, just a back cover... New Order Here to Stay 1. Radio Edit 3:55 2. Felix da Housecat - Extended Glitz Mix 8:08 3. Scumfrog Dub Mix 8:01 PRCD 400063 Property of Warner Strategic Marketing... George.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:45:19 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Here to Stay (Promo) > -----Original Message----- > From: George S [mailto:newdawnfades1@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:33 AM > > A friend of mine got me a CD promo of Here to Stay, haven't > seen this one > mentioned on here yet...just fyi... > > It has no front cover, just a back cover... > > New Order Here to Stay > 1. Radio Edit 3:55 > 2. Felix da Housecat - Extended Glitz Mix 8:08 > 3. Scumfrog Dub Mix 8:01 > > PRCD 400063 > > Property of Warner Strategic Marketing... I believe it's a new (?!) US promo. You can also find the bonus CD from Retro as a promo "Retro-sampler". Can't remember the cat# on that one. You'll find them on eBay. T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:01:15 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ meanwhile... hey no'ers, i'm just going over the early tracks, and i hadn't listened to 'substance' in awhile, and was looking at the discography.. 2xLP: AR 1987 (DG 231/232) [Disc 2 "Substance II"] ++ 2xCD: AU 1987 (Factory/CBS FACD 200) 2xCD: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D80915/6) 2xCD: BZ 1990 (WEA 925621-2) 2xCD: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 616-2) 2xCD: GE 19?? (Factory/Rough Trade 110.0198.2) 2xCD: GE 1989 (Factory/Rough Trade RTDCD 50) 2xCD: JP 198? (Factory/Nippon Columbia 50CY-1737/8) 2xCD: JP 1993 (Polydor K.K. POCD-1888/9) 2xCD: SW 1987 (Factory/MNW FACD 200) 2xCD: UK 1987 (Factory FACD 200) 2xCD: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. 520 008.2) +++ 2xCD: US 1987 (Qwest 9 25621-2) 2xDAT: UK 1988 (Factory FACT 200D) [Disc 2] 6:58 Hurt ok, here's the original 12"... 12": HO 1982 (Stemra VR22541) 12": IT 1982 (Factory/Base FAC 63) **** 12": JP 1982 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7425AX) [promo w/obi strip] 12": JP 1982 (Factory/Nippon Columbia YW-7425) 12": SP 198? (Polygram 31-024) 12": UK 1982 (Factory FAC 63) 8:13 Hurt hmm....looks like its edited also, and i never noticed it.. so i'll have to post a copy of the full version also.. if you've been keeping up, we're done with: - ----------------- - - ceremony 7"/12" - - procession/everythings gone green 7" - - everythings gone green/mesh 12" - - temptation/hurt 7" , temptation (something wild) - - rocking carol/ode to joy flexi 7" - - blue monday video edit/live top of pops 83 - - confusion 12" - - thieves like us/lonesome tonight 7" (have i missed any other early tracks?) at some point i'll have to move onto the next phase of mixes - ------------ - - the perfect kiss - - subculture - - shellshock - - state of the nation - - bizarre love triangle - - true faith - - touched by the hand of God - - blue monday '88 its not looking too good for hosting the files though, so i'll look into an alternative method.. later | | || || ||| ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) retro trade? maybe this is illegal, but what the hell: Is anyone interested in trading cd copies of the Retro live and/or 5th bonus disc for any of my digital bootleg material? I've got a few... I just haven't been able to bring myself to dish $70 for five minus three discs. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:06:52 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [audio] -> _new_order_story_ hey no'ers i've also been checking out the 'new order story' laserdisc, which i think should be required watching for new order fans..(the full 140 min version).. anyways, i've gone back and digitised a few more tracks, as noted below: - ------------------------------------------ New Order Story [Nov 1993] VHS: CA 1993 (PolyGram Video 440 087 135-3) [NTSC] * VHS: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POVD-1007) [NTSC] * VHS: UK 1993 (London/PolyGram Video 087 134-3) [PAL] * 2xLD: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POLD-1007/8) [NTSC] */*** disc 1 - ----------------------------------------------------- 2:54 joy division - Transmission (live excerpt) joy division - Love Will Tear Us Apart (video excerpt) 1:05 Ceremony (live excerpt) 3:22 Temptation (live excerpt) 4:00 Blue Monday (live top of the pops 83) 0:32 blue monday (sunkist commercial) Touched By The Hand Of God (video excerpt) Bizarre Love Triangle (video excerpt) Confusion (video excerpt) Shellshock (video excerpt) State Of The Nation (video excerpt) Perfect Kiss (video excerpt) True Faith (video excerpt) Round & Round (video excerpt) World In Motion (video excerpt) Fine Time (video excerpt) 4:00 Regret (live, baywatch video, los angeles 93) disc 2 - ----------------------------------------------------- 7:16 Temptation (live, montreux festival) 4:37 Everyone Everywhere (live, montreux festival) Ruined In A Day (video excerpt) World (video excerpt) joy division - Atmosphere (video) most of the other tracks feature the normal videos, with commentary over them, or they are editted... 'cermony' is a very short live excerpt, with barely audible vocals from bernard.. 'tempation' is also very short, but nearly complete.... sounds like a condensed version of the original, with excellent guitar work... 'blue monday (top of pops 83)' is an excellent sounding live version, a rather detached performance, they all look rather bored, is bernard chewing gum while singing? 'blue monday (sunkist commercial)' is rather low-quality sounding, but interesting from a historical perspective.. 'the perfect kiss' is almost the full video, with one comment made at the end... sound quality is ok...lots of high frequencies during parts of it...i thought it might be better than the 'substance' laserdisc..i'm not sure yet.. 'regret (live, baywatch video, los angeles 93)' is an excellent sounding live version, bernard does really well on the vocals, of course the music sounds pre-sequenced..and gillian looks rather odd dressed in dark/gothic clothing on a beach (compared to the short bikinis and outfits on the rest).. 'temptation (live)' is an excellent version, in fact its one of the best live versions of it i've heard so far, and much better than the shorter 3/4min versions of recent years...similar to the 'substance' mix, very clear vocals/good bass...there's a few moments when the vocals are too high for bernard to sing...highly recommended.. 'everyone everywhere (live)', another excellent version, of a rather slow song..its cool because gillian is much more present onstage, playing the guitar, and they all sound very clear together.. later | | || || ||| ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:07:29 -0500 From: "P SAVILLE" Subject: (Fac33) Retro question I just bought Retro..nice package....I like the live cd the best. I know this has been dicussed, so as not to bother the rest of the list with this question, can some kndly email me with the answe to this quesion; Where is the version of Confusion (on the Pop disc) from? It ROCKS...esp the guitar parts at the end. thanks Nirav _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:13:18 -0500 From: "James Shum" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Retro question It's the original Confusion 12" version from 1983. You're probably more familiar with the version on Substance which was a new version recorded in 1987. ________________________________________________________ JAMES SHUM http://www.geocities.com/james_shum/NewOrder >From: "P SAVILLE" >To: ceremony@monkey.org >Subject: (Fac33) Retro question >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:07:29 -0500 > > >I just bought Retro..nice package....I like the live cd the best. I know >this has been dicussed, so as not to bother the rest of the list with this >question, can some kndly email me with the answe to this quesion; > >Where is the version of Confusion (on the Pop disc) from? It ROCKS...esp >the guitar parts at the end. > >thanks > >Nirav _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) clarification on Mesh? i know we went through this a little while ago, but i wasnt paying attention: If the song that's actually called Mesh, but which is often called Cries and Whispers, is in fact Mesh, what the hell is the real name of track 3 on disc2 of Substance? fanx. (sheesh two posts in two days. I havent been this active since college.) [*waves to everyone*] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:47 -0600 From: "Matt Mesker" Subject: RE: (Fac33) clarification on Mesh? > what the hell is the real name of track 3 on disc2 of Substance? Cries & Whispers. It was mislabeled on Substance and no one ever fixed it. It is, however, labelled correctly on the box set. m. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:07 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) (off-topic) sounds like Electronic and New Order This is off-topic but if you like the sound of Electronic and New Order, you might like the following song. Its by an american indie band called Low Technicians. http://www.lowtechnicians.com/low_technicians-Desolation.mp3 The low technicians take the electro/guitar combination pioneered by such bands as New Order and Electronic and brings the sound into the 21st century. Tight electronic rhythms wound around powerful, melancholy songs. Sorry for the off-topic. Regards, FS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:30:29 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [audio] -> _new_order_best_of(video_edits)_ hey no'ers, well i'm still going through my sources and i've gotten to this one..(on laserdisc)... i've noticed that several of these tracks are 'unique' edits of the tracks, and sometimes are different from the 7" or radio edits found on the 'best of'.... from the new order discography: - --------------------------------------------- ? - (The Best Of) New Order [Dec 1994] VHS: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POVD-1011) [NTSC] VHS: UK 1994 (London Records 90 Ltd. 633 730-3) [PAL] LD: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POLD-1011) [NTSC] 4:23 True Faith-94 4:06 Regret edit-> 3:38 Run 3:47 Bizarre Love Triangle 3:06 Fine Time 9:10 The Perfect Kiss unique edit->3:12 Shellshock edit-> 3:55 Confusion 4:03 Blue Monday-88 3:46 Round & Round-94 3:47 World (Price of Love) 3:50 Ruined in a Day unique edit->3:30 State of the Nation 3:40 Touched by the Hand of God unique edit->3:56 World in Motion 3:44 Spooky 4:14 True Faith 3:43 Round & Round "Patti" - - Subtitled "They're afraid of what they see.." - -------------------------------------------------- i haven't checked to see if 'run' is 'run 2' or just and edit of the album version... but i'm pretty sure about the other tracks... (if the times are right).... anyways, i'm transferring them from laserdisc to cd, and so far they sound pretty good... later || | || || | || || ne gati ve 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:33:31 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_010203_ hey no'ers, ok, for the time being, i'm going to be posting the mp3 files on a free site.. of course this impacts several things 1) just ask me for the link, and i'll send it to you, it seems a lot of people were linking to my private site, and incurring a lot of bandwidth issues on my friends server... 2) since its a free site, there's limited bandwith per month, so i'll be replacing the files every few days...there wont be a large archive of them...and i WONT BE REPOSTING FILES, IF YOU MISS THEM, THEY ARE GONE.... 3) IMPORTANT NOTE : YOU WILL HAVE TO RENAME THE FILE TO SAVE IT. I CHANGED IT TO .pm3 so that PEOPLE WONT LINK TO IT etc...i will also be changing the link location etc, so spiders/robots, and file linkers won't pick up on them.. 4) there's a separate message board function there, to maintain more private requests, etc... 5) if you can't find a file, i would appreciate it if people would share them amongst themselves, or host them elsewhere... well, anyways enough issues, and back to the music.. later || | | ||| || || | ne g ati ve 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:35:26 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(7inch_remix)___ 'now i know' ok new-order'ers, [mp3] here is one of my all-time favorite tracks... it's the 7" remix of 'the perfect kiss".. it's not on 'substance', 'best of', 'retro', or 'international'... [history] new order's eleventh release, this appears on several of the 7" releases, and promos.. however it appears only on the vinyl , and not on cd yet... [review] this version is an attempt at condensing the full version down to a manageable length.. it still retains most of the intensity and complex rhythms, although it omits a verse.. great combination of guitar work and keyboards.. similiar to the album version though... [location] ====================================== contact me for information later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 newOrder-PerfectKiss7-160k.pm3 info - ----- from the us 7" promo technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 5287706 bytes Length: 264 seconds <- 4min24sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 10129 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- new order the perfect kiss fac 123 (may 1985) 7": CA 1985 (PolyGram FAC 23) 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] 10": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) [acetate for side A] 10": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) [acetate for side B] The Perfect Kiss (edit) 7": BL 1985 (Factory Benelux 7FBN 123) * 7": US 1985 (Qwest 9 28968-7) 7": US 1985 (Qwest 9 28968-7) [promo] 10": US 1985 (Grudman 7-28968) [double sided acetate] 4:23 The Perfect Kiss (edit) 12": US 1985 (Qwest PRO-A-2342) [promo] 4:23 The Perfect Kiss (single edit) - ------------------------- 'the perfect kiss' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:44:10 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> [audio] -> _new_order_best_of(video_edits)_ [reply] of course, i didn't mention this in the original post... 'bizarre love triangle' could qualify as a 'unique edit', due to the break in the video with the ....'reincarnation... you're a real up person' speech.. i wonder if anyone saw the video first, and thought that was in the song? anyways, although i don't think 'bizarre love triangle' is that great, i think it ruined a decent video... maybe a an editted video could be made out of it. later | || || | || || ne g ati ve 1 - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:30 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: [audio] -> _new_order_best_of(video_edits)_ >hey no'ers, > >well i'm still going through >my sources and i've gotten >to this one..(on laserdisc)... > >i've noticed that several >of these tracks are 'unique' >edits of the tracks, and >sometimes are different >from the 7" or radio edits >found on the 'best of'.... >from the new order discography: - --------------------------------------------- >? - (The Best Of) New Order >[Dec 1994] > > VHS: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POVD-1011) [NTSC] > VHS: UK 1994 (London Records 90 Ltd. 633 730-3) [PAL] > LD: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POLD-1011) [NTSC] > >unique edit-> 3:47 Bizarre Love Triangle >- Subtitled "They're afraid of what they see.." - -------------------------------------------------- >but i'm pretty sure about the other tracks... >(if the times are right).... >anyways, i'm transferring them from laserdisc >to cd, and so far they sound pretty good... >later >|| | || || | || || >ne gati ve 1 ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #10 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .