From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #11 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 011 (Fac33) _shiva_ (Fac33) Retro - Amazon.ca (Fac33) [query] -> _is_this_new_order?_ RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _is_this_new_order?_ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___kiss_of_death(instrumental_remix)__ (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_030203_ (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video_edit)__v0.1__ (Fac33) [ot:reply] -> _bandwidth_for_mp3_files_ (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video)__v0.1__ (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video_retro)__v0.1__ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(video_edit)___ (Fac33) _ceremony_archives_ Re: (Fac33) _ceremony_archives_ (Fac33) _more_ceremony_archive_stuff_ (Fac33) I sold my soul to the devil ! (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(substance)__v0.1__ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:11:03 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _shiva_ hi there shiva, are you the poster from way back a few years ago, that i use to trade files with? if so, we've got to catch up on some stuff.. if not...oh well... later || | ||| | || | ne gat iv e 1 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:44:40 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) clarification on Mesh? >i know we went through this a little while ago, >but i wasnt paying attention: >fanx. > >(sheesh two posts in two days. I havent been >this active since college.) >[*waves to everyone*] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 17:03:27 -0500 From: "Kim Podolak" Subject: (Fac33) Retro - Amazon.ca

Just a heads up, if you ordered Retro from Amazon.ca, like I did, they do NOT have the bonus disk even though they had it listed as a five disk/bonus set.


 


STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:25:42 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _is_this_new_order?_ hey no'er's i saw this item on ebay, VARIOUS ARTISTS "Ghost of Christmas past" CD released on LES DISQUES DU CREPUSCULE (TWI 058-2). Swinging Buildings "Praying for a cheaper Christmas" (which is NEW ORDER in disguise) from a discography : http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/cremain1.html - ------------------- TWI 058 VARIOUS ARTISTS Ghosts Of Christmas Past Dec 88 CD: BE 1988 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) CD: JP 1989 (Crepuscule Au Japon/Victor JVC VDPY-28510) [boxed] CD: BE 1990 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) CD: BE 1999 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) 1:46 AZTEC CAMERA - Hot Club Of Christ 2:59 THE FRENCH IMPRESIONISTS - Santa Baby 2:39 THE PALE FOUNTAINS - Benoit's Christmas 3:42 THE ARCADIANS - Write Your Letter 2:45 PAUL HAIG - Scottish Christmas 3:26 ISABELLE ANTENA - Noelle A Hawai 3:42 THE NAMES - Tokyo Twilight 3:41 PAUL HAIG - Christiania 4:22 THE DURUTTI COLUMN - One Christmas For Your Thoughts 3:26 HILLCREST CLUB - Breakfast At Christmas 1:29 THICK PIGEON - Jingle Bell Rock 6:04 CABARET VOLTAIRE - Invocation 4:00 TUXEDOMOON - Weinachts Rap 2:45 MICHAEL NYMAN - Cream Or Christians 3:12 THE SWINGING BUILDINGS - Praying For A Cheaper Christmas 4:12 THE DURUTTI COLUMN - Snowflakes 6:03 CURRENT 93 - Happy Birthday Pigface Christus 3:24 MONKS IN THE SNOW - A Theme For This Special Evening - - 'Ghosts Of Christmas Past' best of. 1990 re-issue in slightly different sleeve. Japanese edition, sporting the TWI 658 artwork, in red box with green obi. Front of box has candle design, back has artists, titles and credits. they don't mention this song is by new order.. does anyone know? later || | | || || | ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 15:32:12 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [query] -> _is_this_new_order?_ Well, according to Frank Buick's excellent website at http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/: http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/crestory.html: "November brought the classic compilation double album, The Fruit Of The Original Sin, housed in a extraordinary Hennebert sleeve. Early December another compilation was issued: Chantons Noel, Ghosts Of Christmas Past. It was the first in a series of 5 X-mas albums that were issued over the years, and includes a track by The Swinging Buildings, rumoured to be New Order in disguise..." So, you never know... l8rs, Nick ;-) > hey no'er's > > i saw this item on ebay, > > VARIOUS ARTISTS "Ghost of Christmas past" CD > released on LES DISQUES DU CREPUSCULE (TWI 058-2). > > Swinging Buildings "Praying for a cheaper Christmas" > (which is NEW ORDER in disguise) > > from a discography : > http://home.planet.nl/~frankbri/cremain1.html > ------------------- > TWI 058 VARIOUS ARTISTS Ghosts Of Christmas Past > Dec 88 > > CD: BE 1988 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) > CD: JP 1989 (Crepuscule Au Japon/Victor JVC VDPY-28510) [boxed] > CD: BE 1990 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) > CD: BE 1999 (Crepuscule TWI 058-2) > > 1:46 AZTEC CAMERA - Hot Club Of Christ > 2:59 THE FRENCH IMPRESIONISTS - Santa Baby > 2:39 THE PALE FOUNTAINS - Benoit's Christmas > 3:42 THE ARCADIANS - Write Your Letter > 2:45 PAUL HAIG - Scottish Christmas > 3:26 ISABELLE ANTENA - Noelle A Hawai > 3:42 THE NAMES - Tokyo Twilight > 3:41 PAUL HAIG - Christiania > 4:22 THE DURUTTI COLUMN - One Christmas For Your Thoughts > 3:26 HILLCREST CLUB - Breakfast At Christmas > 1:29 THICK PIGEON - Jingle Bell Rock > 6:04 CABARET VOLTAIRE - Invocation > 4:00 TUXEDOMOON - Weinachts Rap > 2:45 MICHAEL NYMAN - Cream Or Christians > 3:12 THE SWINGING BUILDINGS - Praying For A Cheaper Christmas > 4:12 THE DURUTTI COLUMN - Snowflakes > 6:03 CURRENT 93 - Happy Birthday Pigface Christus > 3:24 MONKS IN THE SNOW - A Theme For This Special Evening > > - 'Ghosts Of Christmas Past' best of. 1990 re-issue in slightly different > sleeve. Japanese edition, sporting the TWI 658 artwork, in red box with > green obi. Front of box has candle design, back has artists, titles and > credits. > > > they don't mention this song is by new order.. > > does anyone know? > > later > > || | | || || | > ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:31:24 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___kiss_of_death(instrumental_remix)__ 'now i know' ok new-order'ers, [mp3] here is one of my all-time favorite tracks... it's the 7" instrumental remix of 'the perfect kiss'..but its called 'kiss of death' it's not on 'substance', 'best of', 'retro', or 'international'... [history] new order's eleventh release, this appears on several of the 7" releases, and promos.. however it appears only on vinyl , and not on cd yet... [review] go and listen to the 'the kiss of death' from 'substance', or the 12".....(if you've never heard the full version, get it..it's much easier to find..) because this version is an attempt at condensing the full version down to a manageable length.. once again, it's highly editted. but i think it still captures interesting aspects of the song...some female vocal parts, (who is that?)...and some other cool musical effects.. once again, i highly recommend this song...since its one of my all time favorites...i never get tired of it.. [location] ====================================== contact me for information, if you've already downloaded the other file, there's a new link there later || | || || | | n e ga tiv e 1 ================================= track - ----- 1 newOrder-KissofDeath7-160k.zip info - ----- from the us 7" promo technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 6223412 bytes Length: 311 seconds <- 5min11sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 11922 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- new order the perfect kiss fac 123 (may 1985) 7": CA 1985 (PolyGram FAC 23) 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123-7) [promo] 10": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) [acetate for side A] 10": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) [acetate for side B] 5:09 The Perfect Kiss Intrumental ** 7": BL 1985 (Factory Benelux 7FBN 123) * 7": US 1985 (Qwest 9 28968-7) 7": US 1985 (Qwest 9 28968-7) [promo] 10": US 1985 (Grudman 7-28968) [double sided acetate] 5:09 The Perfect Kiss Intrumental ** - ------------------------- 'kiss of death' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 02:45:37 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_030203_ hey no'ers, just wanted to let you know, 1) it appears the new site for the files is up, and working for most people... 2) i'm going to go back after some more 'perfect kiss' versions.. and put up the 'confusion' mixes.. and hurt 12" (full version from cd) 3) i think i'm only going to leave the files up for a few days..so if you don't see them ASK AROUND, i know other people are getting them, please share!..... i'm sorry if you are missing out, but i'm on a dial-up connection, and i only can post them at certain times, and also theres a lot more files to put up...and we'll never get to them with a slow rate... finally, its mostly DUE TO A LACK OF FILE SPACE...so don't take it personally if you don't get them.. 4) you're going to see A TON of information regarding 'the perfect kiss'... i'm getting ready to post the REAL 12" full version also....along with the original video edit, and FULL video version.. also, i finally got around to listening to the 'retro' version, and have made notes on the differences, timings, etc... i've also correlated it to the other video edits.... don't worry if it doesn't seem clear, its mostly for my own amusement... in the end, its the 'perfect kiss', and that's all that matters.. later || | | || || || | ne g at iv e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 02:47:33 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video_edit)__v0.1__ 'i know' ok neworder's, here are the details for the edit version of the video for 'the perfect kiss'... this version was played on some music video stations, when they couldn't play the full remix, basically, it contains verse 1, and verse 3 from the 12" mix.. [reference: from the new order discography] - ------------------------------------------- 12": US 1985 (Qwest PRO-A-2342) [promo] 4:23 The Perfect Kiss (single edit) 5:18 The Perfect Kiss (live version from The Perfect Kiss video) - ------cut here------------- mix technical data - ----------------------------- [new order the perfect kiss video edit v0.1] by -1 IMPORTANT note - -------------- all times are [APPROXIMATE], and may be different on your CD player, MP3 or realaudio file...adjust as needed analysis - ------------------------------------------------ song - the perfect kiss (video edit) time - 5m:11s - ------------------------------------------------ words : no note : words are NOT confirmed.... (c) : 2003 - ------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- the perfect kiss (video edit) - - ------------------------------------------- time notes vocals - - ------------------------------------------- - - -05:13 [drum 1] - - -05:05 [drum 2] - - -04:59 [guitar 1] - - -04:47 [keyboard 1] - - -04:40 [keyboard 2] - - -04:33 [keyboard chords 1] - - -04:18 [vocal] I stood there beside myself - - -04:14 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather - - -04:10 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine - - -04:07 [vocal] Suggested we go out together - - -04:03 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start - - -04:00 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart - - -03:56 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -03:52 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -03:49 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -03:42 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -03:34 [guitar+keyboard] - - -03:26 [keyboard 1+guitar] - - -03:12 [vocal] when you are alone at night, - - -03:09 [vocal] you search yourself for - - -03:07 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right - - -03:05 [vocal] if you give it all away - - -03:02 [vocal] you throw away your only chance - - -03:00 [vocal] to be here today - - -02:58 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street, - - -02:54 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of meat(?) - - -02:50 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath - - -02:47 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss - - -02:45 [vocal] is the kiss of death - - -02:43 [keyboard 3+guitar] - - -02:36 [guitar solo] - - -02:22 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad] - - -02:06 [cowbell solo] - - -01:52 [spacey sound] - - -01:44 [drums+claps] - - -01:37 [keyboard notes] - - -01:23 [keyboard+frogs croaking] - - -01:07 [metallic beat] - - -01:00 [cowbell solo+beat] - - -00:52 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell] - - -00:32 [guitar2+chords+drums] - - -00:16 [guitar+chords] - - -00:07 [explosion] - - -00:04 [guitar string plucked] - - -00:00 [silence] - - ----------------------------------- - -------end document------------------ - ------------------------------------- transcription : -1 research : -1 layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : no thanx : no, bs, gg, sm, ph, mg (c) : 2003 generic Designs - ------------------------------------- later - -1 'the perfect kiss' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:49:12 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [ot:reply] -> _bandwidth_for_mp3_files_ hey no'ers, thanks for all the enthusiastic responses for the files.. it looks like the site is being swamped with requests again.. so... does anyone use KAZAA (or kazaalite, edonkey/emule, winMX) etc.....ie. p2p file sharing programs???? i would like to do it that way, but since i'm only on a dial-up most of the time it wouldn't be efficient... so, here's my request.. 1) does any have a public ftp they want to use to donate space [this is the best option] 2) secondly, does anyone want to HOST/SHARE files via P2P programs.....this would involve you getting the files (in this case, you would get them first from me, and then share them with others)... we could work something out for this, this isn't a bad option either.. 3) everyone could just wait until i'm done with all the files, and work something out after that (i don't think that would go over too well).. cd trades/mp3/etc... i'd rather not go that route.. finally, remember we don't want any 'new order' related sites hosting the files due to legal/moral issues either.. i don't mind sharing non-cd quality sound files (that are out of print), with interested fans.. any ideas/thoughts/comments are welcome.. i'm sure there's a better way to share these files.. i just don't have the income to pay for a dedicated site right now (and i don't want to use my friends site either, as he has to pay for the extra bandwidth generated).. if you're willing to help, i'll make sure you get the files first, and in the future, CD-quality versions w/media.. later | |||| || || | || n egat iv e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:58:07 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video)__v0.1__ 'i know, you know' ok neworder's, here are the details for the full version of the video for 'the perfect kiss'... this version was played during the openings of some movies, like 'stop making sense', by johnathan demme. it contains all the verses from the 12", but the instruments are quite different.. you can find it on several of the 'new order' video collections, [reference: from the new order discography] - ------------------------------------------- Substance 1989 [Sep 1989] VHS: AU 1989 (Video Select Australia VVD 627) VHS: CA 1989 (PolyGram Video 080 995-3) [NTSC] VHS: UK 1989 (Factory/Virgin FACT 225) [PAL] VHS: US 1989 (Qwest Video 38152-3) [NTSC] LD: JP 1991 (Teichiku TELP-42036) [NTSC] The Perfect Kiss New Order Story [Nov 1993] VHS: CA 1993 (PolyGram Video 440 087 135-3) [NTSC] * VHS: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POVD-1007) [NTSC] * VHS: UK 1993 (London/PolyGram Video 087 134-3) [PAL] * 2xLD: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POLD-1007/8) [NTSC] */*** 9:10 Perfect Kiss ? - (The Best Of) New Order [Dec 1994] VHS: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POVD-1011) [NTSC] VHS: UK 1994 (London Records 90 Ltd. 633 730-3) [PAL] LD: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POLD-1011) [NTSC] 9:10 The Perfect Kiss - - Subtitled "They're afraid of what they see.." - ------cut here------------- mix technical data - ----------------------------- [new order the perfect kiss video v0.1] by -1 IMPORTANT note - -------------- all times are [APPROXIMATE], and may be different on your CD player, MP3 or realaudio file...adjust as needed analysis - ------------------------------------------------ song - the perfect kiss (video) time - 9m:13s - ------------------------------------------------ words : no note : words are NOT confirmed.... (c) : 2003 - ------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- the perfect kiss (video) - - ------------------------------------------- time notes vocals - - ------------------------------------------- - - -09:13 [silence] - - -09:09 [drum 1] - - -08:54 [drum 2] - - -08:40 [guitar 1] - - -08:21 [keyboard 1] - - -07:44 [keyboard 2] - - -07:29 [vocal] I stood there beside myself - - -07:25 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather - - -07:22 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine - - -07:18 [vocal] Suggested we go out together - - -07:14 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start - - -07:11 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart - - -07:07 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -07:04 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -07:00 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -06:52 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -06:46 [guitar+keyboard] - - -06:30 [keyboard 1+guitar] - - -06:16 [vocal] I have always thought about - - -06:13 [vocal] Staying in and going out - - -06:09 [vocal] Tonight I should have stayed at home - - -06:05 [vocal] Playing with my pleasure zone - - -06:00 [vocal] He has always been so strange - - -05:57 [vocal] I'd often thought he was deranged - - -05:54 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -05:50 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -05:47 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -05:39 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -05:32 [vocal] when you are alone at night - - -05:29 [vocal] you search yourself for - - -05:27 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right - - -05:25 [vocal] if you give it all away - - -05:22 [vocal] you throw away your only chance - - -05:19 [vocal] to be here today - - -05:17 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street - - -05:14 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of me(at?) - - -05:10 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath - - -05:07 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss - - -05:04 [vocal] is the kiss of death - - -05:02 [keyboard 3+guitar] - - -04:54 [guitar solo] - - -04:25 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad] - - -04:18 [cowbell solo] - - -04:04 [spacey sound] - - -03:57 [drums+claps] - - -03:49 [spacey sound] - - -03:48 [keyboard notes] - - -03:35 [keyboard+frogs croaking] - - -03:20 [drums+frogs croaking+notes] - - -03:05 [metallic beat] - - -02:50 [cowbell solo+beat] - - -02:36 [cowbell solo+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -02:20 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell] - - -01:59 [guitar2+chords+drums] - - -01:50 [guitar+chords+explosion] - - -01:40 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -01:10 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -00:30 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -00:15 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -00:08 [explosion] - - -00:03 [guitar string plucked] - - -00:00 [silence] - - ----------------------------------- - -------end document------------------ - ------------------------------------- transcription : -1 research : -1 layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : no thanx : no, bs, gg, sm, ph, mg (c) : 2003 generic Designs - ------------------------------------- later | || ||| | ||||| ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:59:45 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(video_retro)__v0.1__ 'i know, you know' ok neworder's, here are the details for the full version of the video for 'the perfect kiss' outtake found on the bonus disc of 'retro'... this version has some similarities to the full video version (mainly the instrumentals) but the vocals are different... it contains all the verses from the 12", but the instruments are quite different.. you can find it on the bonus disc of 'retro'... [reference] - ------------------------------------------- retro box set - disc 5 [dec/jan 2002/2003] CD: uk 2002 9:56 The Perfect Kiss (live video)[outtake] - ------cut here------------- mix technical data - ----------------------------- [new order the perfect kiss video outtake v0.1] by -1 IMPORTANT note - -------------- all times are [APPROXIMATE], and may be different on your CD player, MP3 or realaudio file...adjust as needed analysis - ------------------------------------------------ song - the perfect kiss (video)[outtake] time - 9m:56s - ------------------------------------------------ words : no note : words are NOT confirmed.... (c) : 2003 - ------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- the perfect kiss (video)[outtake] - - ------------------------------------------- time notes vocals - - ------------------------------------------- - - -09:54 [spoken] ok, very relaxed, action - - -09:53 [silence] - - -09:52 [drum 1] - - -09:38 [drum 2] - - -09:23 [guitar 1] - - -09:05 [keyboard 1+guitar] - - -08:50 [keyboard 2] - - -08:28 [keyboard 3+guitar] - - -08:13 [vocal] I stood there beside myself - - -08:10 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather - - -08:06 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine - - -08:02 [vocal] Suggested we go out together - - -07:59 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start - - -07:55 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart - - -07:51 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -07:48 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -07:44 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -07:36 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -07:30 [guitar+keyboard] - - -07:15 [keyboard 1+guitar] - - -07:00 [vocal] I have always thought about - - -06:56 [vocal] Staying in and going out - - -06:52 [vocal] Tonight I should have stayed at home - - -06:48 [vocal] Playing with my pleasure zone - - -06:44 [vocal] He has always been so strange - - -06:40 [vocal] I'd often thought he was deranged - - -06:37 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -06:33 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -06:29 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -06:22 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -06:15 [vocal] when you are alone at night - - -06:12 [vocal] you search yourself for - - -06:10 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right - - -06:07 [vocal] if you give it all away - - -06:04 [vocal] you throw away your only chance - - -06:02 [vocal] to be here today - - -06:00 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street - - -05:57 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of me(at?) - - -05:53 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath - - -05:50 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss - - -05:47 [vocal] is the kiss of death - - -05:43 [keyboard 3+guitar] - - -05:38 [guitar solo] - - -05:16 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad] - - -05:08 [cowbell solo] - - -04:47 [spacey sound] - - -04:37 [drums+claps] - - -04:32 [spacey sound] - - -04:30 [keyboard notes] - - -04:17 [keyboard+frogs croaking] - - -04:02 [drums+frogs croaking+notes] - - -03:48 [metallic beat] - - -03:33 [keyboards+cowbell solo+beat] - - -03:18 [cowbell solo+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -03:03 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell] - - -02:50 [guitar2+chords+drums] - - -02:42 [guitar+chords] - - -02:27 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -02:11 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums+explosion] - - -01:57 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -01:27 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -00:58 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -00:48 [explosion] - - -00:44 [guitar string plucked] - - -00:40 [pause-silence] - - -00:39 [spoken] yeah, that was great - - -00:33 [spoken] ?did the smpte, and then we'll cut... - - -00:30 [spoken] that was amazing - - -00:27 [spoken] i think, ummm, ummm, - - -00:26 [spoken] i think we should wrap it up on that next time on - - -00:25 [spoken] and go onto the second - - -00:22 [spoken] what? - - -00:21 [spoken] for the audience again... - - -00:18 [spoken] great, everything was great, it was fantastic, - - -00:14 [spoken] it sounded great - - -00:13 [spoken] yeah - - -00:09 [spoken] whooah, that was good, ha ha ha - - -00:07 [spoken] is that a cut jonathan? - - -00:05 [spoken] oh sorry, yes - - -00:03 [spoken] now (echo) - - -00:01 [spoken] michael shamberg (echo) - - -00:00 [silence] - - ----------------------------------- - -------end document------------------ - ------------------------------------- transcription : -1 research : -1 layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : no thanx : no, bs, gg, sm, ph, mg (c) : 2003 generic Designs - ------------------------------------- later | || ||| | ||||| ne gativ e 1 'the perfect kiss' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:15:46 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(video_edit)___ [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(video_edit)___ 'now i know' ok new-order'ers, [mp3] here is an alternate version of my all-time favorite tracks... it's the video edit for 'the perfect kiss".. it's not on 'substance', 'best of', 'retro', or 'international'... [history] new order's eleventh release, this appears on a couple of promos.. however it appears only on the vinyl , and not on cd yet... [review] this version is an attempt at condensing the full video version down to a manageable length.. it still retains most of the intensity and complex rhythms, and uses verses 1 and 3 of the 12" mix. great combination of guitar work and keyboards.. i know its been rather maligned since its a shorter edit, but i think it works well... there's a certain quality inherent in this song that carries over across all its versions.. [location] ====================================== contact me for information later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 newOrder-PKissVedit-160k.zip info - ----- from the us 12" promo technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 6272522 bytes Length: 313 seconds <-5min13sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 12016 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- new order the perfect kiss fac 123 (may 1985) Qwest Promo Video Compilation [Mar 1993] VHS: US 1993 (Qwest 077398) [promo] [NTSC] 5:20 Perfect Kiss [edit] 12": US 1985 (Qwest PRO-A-2342) [promo] 5:18 The Perfect Kiss (live version from The Perfect Kiss video) - ------------------------- 'the perfect kiss' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:07:44 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _ceremony_archives_ another note to the admins: i take it that somehow the ceremony list went down sometime in 1996, before moving to monkey.org i noticed - -------------- v96.n016 then it skips 17, and 18 and goes to v96.n019 in 19, it said: - ---------------- From: Warren Lapham Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Good news Hello, March 3, 1996 was a sad day for me. That was the day I got my last Ceremony-digest. The USENET group alt.music.new-order just isn't the same, it it? Fortunately, I have managed to reincarnate the Ceremony list. What's more, this time it will be available in both reflector and digest formats! Since I don't have the time to maintain more than one list (and to reincarnate Atmosphere), this list will serve as a forum for the discussion of Joy Division, New Order, and all other projects that members of these bands have participated in. In case you're wondering how I got your name, Rich Kernin, maintainer of the old Ceremony, gave me the list of the 880 listmembers who were around when the last Ceremony-digest was sent out. You may also notice that this message is sent to the new reflector list, ceremony@monkey.org. Not to worry. I have put all of you on the list temporarily, for just this message, for my own convenience. You will not hear from the list again unless you subscribe. See you on the other side! Warren - ------ the reason i noticed it, is because i'm archiving, (and reading all the old posts from 1991-up, so far im up to 1995).... also, i using a yahoogroups, to archive them, that way they are searchable, and easier to read... there's tons of cool information in there, that otherwise, i wasn't inclined to look for file by file.. - - i think in 1995, someone first mentioned the 20minute elegia - - people posting Postscript versions of lyrics - - uuencoded discography, which i editted out - - uuencodes of 'GIF' files - - people talked A LOT about joy division back then - - there's tons of talk about bootlegs - - there's a lot of talk about 'republic' and the singles - - for some reason everyone thought 'run 2' was rare - - somebody was trying to make a 'ceremony' CD with a lot of rare tracks, and remastering them to DAT, and then getting them pressed (please don't tell me what happened, i'm still reading that saga right now)... - - tons of discography postings - - lots of mentions of recieving files via FTP - - a lot more UNIX terms (people had a better idea about web technology).. - - almost everybody had HUGE sigs/graphics at the ends of their messages.. - - back in 1991 people were similiar to now, arguing about lyrics ('blue monday', 'perfect kiss', etc..), talking about how 'new order' sold out, what do the titles mean, wheres' the new order FAQ (people got annoyed at that).. its cool to see a lot of posters still here in this day and age.. anyways, when i get through with the other 1000 digests i'll let you know... i've put up about 500 so far..i've had to split the early years in chunks of 64k so they can be posted.. also, other digests that were too large are split, but they are all being posted chronologically.. when i catch up to the current year, 2003, i'll repost the current ones there.. that way i can access the archives and search them in an easier manner.. later | || | | || | | ne g ati v e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: Re: (Fac33) _ceremony_archives_ On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, -1 wrote: > i take it that somehow the ceremony list went down sometime in 1996, before > moving to monkey.org that's absolutely correct. i think this incarnation is at least the third.... wow, has it been nearly seven years that i've been administering this crazy thing? *shudders* - -w. - -- http://www.warlap.net/ : now with music blog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:45:08 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _more_ceremony_archive_stuff_ sorry to interrupt again, mr admin, but in 1997, for the first digest, which should be v97.n001 it's actually : ceremony-digest Thursday, January 9 1997 Volume 97 : Number 094 so the next one is numbered correctly as v97.002 though... doing some investigation, i found this, was this the source of the problem? later - -1 - -------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: Warren Lapham Subject: (Fac33) Server problems As many of you probably noticed, you didn't get much mail from this list for the past week or so. Here's why. (It didn't go out to the list because of the non-member submission policy I've set up.) -- Warren Lapham (ceremony-owner@monkey.org) laps@monkey.org (laps@umich.edu) - - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:35:07 -0500 (EST) From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org To: owner-ceremony@monkey.org Subject: BOUNCE ceremony@monkey.org: Non-member submission from [dave ] >From ceremony-owner Mon Dec 23 23:33:20 1996 Received: from localhost (dirt@localhost) by naughty.monkey.org (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id XAA10569; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:33:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: dave To: madonna@naughty.monkey.org, madonna-digest@naughty.monkey.org, ceremony@naughty.monkey.org, ceremony-digest@naughty.monkey.org, geeks@naughty.monkey.org, materialworld@naughty.monkey.org, evita@naughty.monkey.org, evita-digest@naughty.monkey.org cc: root@monkey.org Subject: monkey.org and mlvc.org mailing lists unavailable. 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We have put many long hours in over the past several days to get our services back on-line. Have a happy holiday, and a happier new year. - - -monkey.org - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:42:04 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: (Fac33) I sold my soul to the devil ! Yes, I did..! But after managing to get a pretty good deal for the New Order = community. Check out http://www.neworderonline.com/threads.asp?forum_id=3D1 and = check one of the first post. We are having a special promotion with the devil (ie RAZORMAID), you can buy "In Hindsight Part 2" for *ONLY* 15$USD through NewOrderOnline only, this album is 35$USD otherwise.. And if you don't = think that's enough, if you buy it, you can get the volume one for only 5$... (There are also 3 Depeche Mode albums at 5$ that can be purchased via = this deal) Since this is Razormaid, you have to be a "member" to purchase those, = but you don't have to be a member of Razormaid, being a member of = NewOrderOnline is the only requirement for this deal. It seems like they wanted to make up for everything they did recently, = so we came to this agreement. Many of you don't like Razormaid's mixes, but = well, this is your chance to have them for a very cheap price, and all discs = are watermarked, so unique, and pretty cool designed. Anyways, that's my 2 cents, if you want it, read the thread about it to = get the link (I'll put a banner when I'll have the time) P/S: Registering to NewOrderOnline is >FREE<, only a valid email is required, we do not use any personal info and will never plan to do so, = even if we've been asked many times by third parties to use our fan base to = send special offers. (I hate spam, I sure won't allow it!) - --- NewOrderOnline will be going through a server move soon, so don't worry = if it doesn't reply, you can experience the network problems generated by = our current host on the system, those should be fixed quite soon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:45:04 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mix technical data] -> _new_order_the_perfect_kiss(substance)__v0.1__ 'i know, you know' ok neworder's, just for the sake of completion, here are the details for the editted substance version of 'the perfect kiss'... it contains all the verses from the 12", however there is a slight difference in the ending.. you can find it on various 'substance' releases and 'international' (i think).. note that the DAT version is the edit also... [reference: from the new order discography] - ------------------------------------------- 2xCS: AU 1987 (Factory/CBS FACT 200C) CS: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival C80915) CS: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 616-4) CS: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 617-4) [Cassette #2 "Substance Sides"] ** CS: FR 19?? (Virgin 40052PM917) CS: ID 19?? (Contessa P.1974) 2xCS: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200C) */*** CS: UK 1987 (Factory FACT 200C) [white box, ltd.ed. 2000] 2xCS: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. 520 008.4) CS: US 1987 (Qwest 9 25621-4) [Only "Tape 1"] [Tape 1] 8:02 The Perfect Kiss 2xLP: AR 1987 (DG 231/232) [Disc 2 "Substance II"] ++ 2xCD: AU 1987 (Factory/CBS FACD 200) 2xCD: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D80915/6) 2xCD: BZ 1990 (WEA 925621-2) 2xCD: CA 1987 (PolyGram 832 616-2) 2xCD: GE 19?? (Factory/Rough Trade 110.0198.2) 2xCD: GE 1989 (Factory/Rough Trade RTDCD 50) 2xCD: JP 198? (Factory/Nippon Columbia 50CY-1737/8) 2xCD: JP 1993 (Polydor K.K. POCD-1888/9) 2xCD: SW 1987 (Factory/MNW FACD 200) 2xCD: UK 1987 (Factory FACD 200) 2xCD: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. 520 008.2) +++ 2xCD: US 1987 (Qwest 9 25621-2) 2xDAT: UK 1988 (Factory FACT 200D) [Disc 1] 8:02 The Perfect Kiss - ------cut here------------- mix technical data - ----------------------------- [new order the perfect kiss substance v0.1] by -1 IMPORTANT note - -------------- all times are [APPROXIMATE], and may be different on your CD player, MP3 or realaudio file...adjust as needed analysis - ------------------------------------------------ song - the perfect kiss (substance) time - 8m:02s - ------------------------------------------------ words : no note : words are NOT confirmed.... (c) : 2003 - ------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- the perfect kiss (substance) - - ------------------------------------------- time notes vocals - - ------------------------------------------- - - -08:02 [drum 1] - - -07:47 [drum 2] - - -07:33 [guitar 1] - - -07:15 [keyboard 1] - - -06:45 [keyboard 2] - - -06:31 [vocal] I stood there beside myself - - -06:26 [vocal] Thinking hard about the weather - - -06:22 [vocal] Then came by a friend of mine - - -06:18 [vocal] Suggested we go out together - - -06:15 [vocal] Then I knew it from the start - - -06:12 [vocal] This friend of mine would fall apart - - -06:08 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -06:04 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -06:00 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -05:52 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -05:46 [guitar+keyboard] - - -05:30 [keyboard 1+guitar] - - -05:16 [vocal] I have always thought about - - -05:13 [vocal] Staying in and going out - - -05:09 [vocal] Tonight I should have stayed at home - - -05:05 [vocal] Playing with my pleasure zone - - -05:02 [vocal] He has always been so strange - - -04:57 [vocal] I'd often thought he was deranged - - -04:54 [vocal] Pretending not to see his gun - - -04:50 [vocal] I said "let's go out and have some fun" - - -04:47 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -04:39 [vocal] I know, you know, we believe in a land of love - - -04:32 [vocal] when you are alone at night - - -04:29 [vocal] you search yourself for - - -04:27 [vocal] all the things that you believe are right - - -04:25 [vocal] if you give it all away - - -04:22 [vocal] you throw away your only chance - - -04:19 [vocal] to be here today - - -04:17 [vocal] then a fight breaks out on your street - - -04:14 [vocal] you lose another broken heart in a land of me(at?) - - -04:10 [vocal] my friend has took his final breath - - -04:07 [vocal] now i know the perfect kiss - - -04:04 [vocal] is the kiss of death - - -04:02 [keyboard chords 2+cowbell+drum pad] - - -03:48 [spacey sound] - - -03:45 [keyboard 2+cowbell+drum pad] - - -03:17 [spacey sound+guitar] - - -03:14 [drums+claps+cowbell] - - -03:03 [spacey sound+keyboard notes+drums] - - -02:46 [keyboard+frogs croaking] - - -02:34 [drums+frogs croaking+notes] - - -02:19 [metallic beat] - - -02:06 [cowbell solo+beat] - - -02:02 [cowbell solo+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -01:49 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+cowbell] - - -01:35 [guitar2+chords+drums] - - -01:12 [guitar+chords+explosion] - - -00:57 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -00:43 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -00:28 [guitar+guitar2+orchestral keyboard chords+drums] - - -00:14 [guitar+orchestral keyboard chords] - - -00:06 [explosion] - - -00:01 [wowwww] - - -00:00 [silence] - - ----------------------------------- - -------end document------------------ - ------------------------------------- transcription : -1 research : -1 layout : generic Designs text : textDesignersRepublic concept : no thanx : no, bs, gg, sm, ph, mg (c) : 2003 generic Designs - ------------------------------------- later | || ||| | ||||| ne gativ e 1 'the perfect kiss' ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #11 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .