From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #13 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, February 12 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 013 (Fac33) blt cover Re: (Fac33) blt cover Re: (Fac33) blt cover (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) Re: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) (Fac33) Special 12" / -1 (Fac33) [reply2] -> [pics] -> _blue_monday_video_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _ceremony_archives_ (Fac33) [reply] -> _perfect_kiss_versions_ RE: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ RE: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_files_update_100203_ Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ (Fac33) Mojo Interview Re: (Fac33) [video] International DVD? Re: (Fac33) [video] International DVD? Re: (Fac33) Special 12" / -1 (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion(video_edit)_ (Fac33) [mp3] -> _joy_division_transmission(live_video_edit)_ (Fac33) [query] -> _ceremony_archives_1999_ (Fac33) JD (Fac33) Confusion (Fac33) [mp3] -> _joy_division_transmission(live_130779)_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:19:17 +0100 From: "Evelyne's confidant" Subject: (Fac33) blt cover http://sitasite.servicez.org/muziek/sita%20-%20bizarre%20love%20triangle.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:19:49 -0600 From: "Julia Sanchez" Subject: Re: (Fac33) blt cover Thank you for sharing. Not too shabby...not too shabby at all. And it did me some food...I needed a morale boost...and nothing does it better than New Order's BLT. Dang skippy! ~Julia **************************************************************************** ****** "You bastard! Here we are, culturally starving and you spent our record money on *food*!" - Savage Pencil "Live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse." - James Dean "It's best not to be too moral. You cheat yourself out of too much life" - Ruth Gordon, Harold & Maude - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyne's confidant" To: "Ceremony" Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: (Fac33) blt cover > http://sitasite.servicez.org/muziek/sita%20-%20bizarre%20love%20triangle.mp3 > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:38:41 +0100 From: "jcpacaud" Subject: Re: (Fac33) blt cover yes i like it too, but you have(d) to listen to it before, as I love the Frente cover too and this mix was best known as the devil here !!! e'sc > Thank you for sharing. Not too shabby...not too shabby at all. > > And it did me some food...I needed a morale boost...and nothing does it > better than New Order's BLT. Dang skippy! > > ~Julia > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:38:43 +0100 From: "Evelyne's confidant" Subject: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) what the hell is this ?? http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=130798 e'sc listening to Fleetwood mac - Little lies and Suède - Obsessions ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) Um, its pretty much precisely what it says it is. It's a ruler, issued as a promotional item many years ago. - -=3DA=3D- On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Evelyne's confidant wrote: > what the hell is this ?? > > http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=3D130798 > > e'sc listening to Fleetwood mac - Little lies and Su=E8de - Obsessio= ns > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) Special 12" / -1 > maybe i just haven't heard anything > this emotional from the group since > then, maybe irealized they could > never surpass this effort? I think a 12inch of "Special" could've truly rivaled. not sure it would've had quite the orchestral variation of PK, but as far as tangible emotional power and creating its own complete atmoshere yes. I will always contend that song is the hidden masterpiece/most underated Neworder product. Special 12" prolly would of had damn cool cover art too. > And a thousand hard to read posts for each one > presumably why the beef? damn. as Sam said, is it so hard for the complainers to filter/delete (or 'reclaim' the list by posting about neworder?)? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:52:18 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply2] -> [pics] -> _blue_monday_video_ [pics] ok, i've almost got the real-video version up...sorry, that's the only file i had.. but in the meantime, here's some screenshots from the video.. [location] - ----------- http://negative1-586.tripod.com/vid/bm_01.htm it's kind of cool, that its very primitive in a way... lots of apple 2e graphics, some shots of the 'zaxxon' video game.. its kind of foreshadowing military conflict, war, airplanes, bombs dropping, soldiers, riots, and a lot of other imagery.. which is kind of what i thought of when listening to the song.. i'll get back to you when the video is up.. later || | | || || n eg ati ve1 - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:27 PM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: [reply] -> _blue_monday_video_ >>'when your heart grows cold' >>[reply] >>hey t, From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___blue_monday(video)_ > -----Original Message----- >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:33 AM >> >>> [review] >>> this version is transferred >>> from an analog video source, >>> so the sound quality isn't >>> that great...i've reduced >>> some of the hiss on it.. >>Wouldn't it be relatively easy to do your own edit of the original video-edit and then sync it to >>the video? >>I have never been able to track down the Shorts VHS (for a reasonable price), is the video >>>>>>>>available anywhere as a download? >>T> >yes, it would be easy to do.. >provided i had a good copy >of the original video (which i dont).. >it would be nice to remaster >some of the original videos.. >but i haven't gotten to that >point yet, as video remastering >is much more of a hassle than >audio....(since i have a slow >.computer).. >anyways, i thought one of the >new order site hosted a lot of >videos, but they appear to be >down.. >i have a real video version somewhere, >and if i dig it up, i'll try to post >it for you... >later >|| || | | | | >ne ga tiv e 1 >'i thought i told you' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:16:55 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _ceremony_archives_ [reply] hey t, Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:35:10 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) _ceremony_archives_ >He, he, negative1, our Ceremony-historian... I also read through all posts one day, but that was >in the mid-90's, when the list was on niagara.edu (or something similar). Today? It's jus too much >info. not really, only the first few years have large files, that you have to go through....after that it's a lot easier going through the sequential chunks.. from 1993-2000 it isn't too bad... >> - somebody was trying to make a 'ceremony' CD with a >> lot of rare tracks, and remastering them to DAT, and >> then getting them pressed (please don't tell me what >> happened, i'm still reading that saga right now)... >He, he, is that the Power, Corruption, & Live 3xCD set? Pretty kool. I wonder if the >"Anthologies" was inspired from those discussions. nope, not there yet.. 1) ceremony cd- first guy started it, dumped tracks to DAT, then vanished/graduated 2) ceremony cd- second guy took over, then afterwards asked everyone for money, but didn't get enough, and quit 3) ceremony tapes - don't know if it got that far.. 4) pcl x 3d - haven't gotten to that part yet 5) anthologies - saw that it actually got made later on (but not sure about completeness/quality/etc)... it looks like people wanted to collect the tracks, but couldn't figure out a way to distribute them, remaster them, etc... more analysis on the failures: - ------------------------------- 1) people couldn't agree on what tracks went on there, some wanted razormaid mixes, some wanted tracks off cd, some didn't think certain tracks were rare 2) money, NOBODY wanted to pay for it, even though they said they would, and they couldn't come up with a reasonable figure 3) legal issues, at one point someone contacted the official management, and would have sent copies to 'new order', but obviously that didnt' happen (as of 1995)... 4) not enough people wanted to get involved 5) the equpiment and blank cd's cost too much back then apparently... well, in trying to learn some lessons from this: - ----------------------------------- 1) don't promise if you can't deliver.. which is why i don't claim i'll get this current project finished anytime soon 2) don't ask for money, because even if people say they will pay, its just too much of hassle.... 3) legal issues - avoid 4) distribution - now with the wide availability of sites/mp3 compression etc...its a lot easier to get files to people 5) pressing/equipment...software for audio is relatively cheap, as are blank cd's... 6) getting other people involved - well, i'm just one person, but with the help of few others in acquiring the tracks, that IS NOT A FACTOR... >> - a lot more UNIX terms (people had a better idea about >> web technology).. >I think that a lot of us was "surfing" using Unix at our universities. Back in the early 90's >Mosaic was the main (PC) browser, Netscape the bad guy, and Explorer a Swedish vodka for the >>>>>>>>>average alcoholic. i just read in 1995, where people were asking for 'www' sites..and colin law started his up, and the discography site also.. unfortunately, this is when we started to see HTML email starting up...BAD BAD BAD... and waterrat was still posting uuencodes of pictures also...hmm.... and yes, mosaic was the browser of choice... >> - back in 1991 people were similiar to now, >> arguing about lyrics ('blue monday', 'perfect kiss', etc..), >> talking about how 'new order' sold out, what do the >> titles mean, wheres' the new order FAQ (people got annoyed >> at that).. >History repeats itself. You may also notice how the "average" fan's attitude is changing over >time. Perhaps because the fan-base is getting older and more cynic... >Maybe you are in the right spot now to create a more complete FAQ. the FAQ is pretty complete now, maybe people (like me) are too lazy to look up stuff.. i mean the question about the original/new versions of ceremony have been asked/answered at least 20 times already by 1995...and guess what, i just asked it this january.. >You may also want to check out the Usenet archive at Google. >T. i'll get to that at some point.. but i've read about 400 posts from the early ceremony, and have about 1500 more to go...maybe by next week i'll have them archived and searchable on yahoo groups... i'll put up the link when its ready.. later | || || | || ne ga tiv e1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:27:06 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [reply] -> _perfect_kiss_versions_ [reply] hey mr mcgee, if you were to go back and actually check the individual messages, you would see that they are actually distinct ones, in particular pertaining to these versions of 'the perfect kiss': - --------------------- kiss of death (7" edit or inst) 5:09 v - --------------------- the perfect kiss (7" edit) 4:23 v the perfect kiss (12" extended) 8:46 v the perfect kiss (live vid edit) 5:18 v the perfect kiss (live retro) 9:43 cd the perfect kiss (live video) 9:55 ld the perfect kiss (substance) 8:02 v, cd, cs - ---------------------- i hope that clarifies that issue.. and i don't need to go into further justification for each track.. later || || | || | ne g ativ e1 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:30:36 +0000 From: "Brian McGee" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order___the_perfect_kiss(12inch)___ I seem to have got this particular message about 20 times in the last week - is it my inbox or is there a problem with the list? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:40:47 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) Une r=E8gle "best of"... Pour mesurer! H=E9 oui... 2e photo sur cette page-=E7i: http://www.neworderonline.com/pictures.asp?gallery_id=3D581 P/S: Don't bother.. I was just telling him it's a rule... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On = Behalf Of Evelyne's confidant Sent: February 9, 2003 14:39 To: Ceremony Subject: (Fac33) unknown treasure (yes it's easy!) what the hell is this ?? http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=3D130798 e'sc listening to Fleetwood mac - Little lies and Su=E8de - = Obsessions - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:14:39 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ 'while i walked down to the beach' hi new-order'ers, [video] ok, someone asked if i could post this.. it's a very small video for 'blue monday'...sorry no MPG...its only in real video.. (go to: http://www.real.com for plug-in/player).. [history] new order's seventh release, i'm not sure how often this video got played.. it was released on videotape in 1985... i didn't see it until much, much later.. and for some reason, it doesn't seem to get included on the newer video compilations either.. it's basically a lot of computer graphics overlaid with video footage.. i think it's edited pretty well (bombs, planes flying, all synched to the music)... [review] this is an interesting version of 'blue monday'.. it's probably one of the ONLY real official released edits that exists of the song.. if you want a shorter version, without having to listen to all 7+minutes of the full version, this is it.. it's basically an edit of the 12" from the 0min:38sec mark -> 5min:12sec.. this version seems to be transferred from an analog video source, so the video/sound quality isn't that great.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== http://negative115.tripod.com/vid/bm_vid.htm [* NOTE, if it doesn't play, just download the .rm file, and play that back *] later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-blue_monday(video) info - ----- from the factory 'shorts' video reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- Shorts (Compilation) [Apr 1985] VHS: UK 1985 (Factory FACT 136) VHS: UK 19?? (Ikon IKON12) Blue Monday * 4:34 * Original "Blue Monday" promo video. - ------------------------- 'how does it feel?' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 00:57:39 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ Yes, it is an interesting video. Interesting how it shifts from real movie footage of war games to computer generated war games. This was probably high-tech at the time the video was made. I recognize one of the video game clips used in the video. Its from a video game called Zaxxon circa 1983 i think. I'm not sure if this video was trying to send a message or something but it does present an interesting parallel though. Regards, FS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:27:58 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ > -----Original Message----- > From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:15 PM > > someone asked if i could > post this.. Thanks. I can't believe I've never seen this before. My standing (begging) request to the label/management: please re-release the videos on DVD. If that's not possible, why not add a video like this as an "easter-egg" on some of the live DVDs? That and some video of studio-outtakes, live performances etc. T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:50:26 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_files_update_100203_ [update] hey no'ers, ok, i've updated the links for the files.. i've reposted all 3 vinyl mixes from the confusion 12": - -------------------- confusion 12" confusion (beats) confusion (rough mix) since some people were not able to get them the first time around.. also for those of you that have these already.. i'll be posting the confusion 7" edit, from '? best of' laserdisc... later ||| || | ||||| ne g ati ve 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:48:21 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ Best thing would be a double-DVD, one having all videos, other having at TV appearances in the UK... Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:15 PM >> >> someone asked if i could >> post this.. > > Thanks. I can't believe I've never seen this before. > > My standing (begging) request to the label/management: please re-release the videos on DVD. If that's not possible, why not add a video like this as an "easter-egg" on some of the live DVDs? That and some video of studio-outtakes, live performances etc. > > T. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:11:49 -0000 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: (Fac33) Mojo Interview I'm looking for the Summer 2001 Mojo Interview online. Anyone know where it is? Mx ____________________________ "No cause is worth dying for when you're an atheist" - David Shayler Visit my website : http://www.markreed.cjb.net and also http://www.drownedinsound.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:14:52 -0000 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] International DVD? Nopey. I've been thinking about this slightly. A proper DVD release. I think we should have DVD 1 : "NewOrderStory" (minus the full videos and including Transmission in full, Love Will Tear Us Apart in full, Ceremony live 81, Temptation live 82, Atmosphere in full), as well some updated interviews to bring the story up to date : or maybe excerpts from the "in conversation" documentary from 316 and the "98-02" documentary on 511 to tell the story if they're too damn lazy. That should be about two hours. EXTRAS : "Factory At Home" documentary 1984, (50 minutes) _____________________________ DVD 2 : (the best of) New Order. Blue Monday 1983, Confusion 1983 edit, Perfect Kiss 12", Shellshock, State Of The Nation, Bizarre Love Triangle, True Faith, Touched By The Hand Of God, Blue Monday 1988, Fine Time, Round and Round, Run2, World In Motion, Regret, Ruined In A Day, World, Spooky, 1963-95, Crystal, 60MPH, Here To Stay, (20 songs, about 90 minutes) EXTRAS : World-perfecto mix, live video, True Faith-94, Round & Round-94, The Happy One (animated video), Thieves Like Us (TV broadcast), Regret (live at the Apollo 98), (20 minutes) "Live At The BBC" 1984 TV Broadcast (25 minutes) 5 songs "Live At Montreux" 1993 TV Broadcast (47 minutes) 9 songs - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" To: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ Best thing would be a double-DVD, one having all videos, other having at TV appearances in the UK... Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:15 PM >> >> someone asked if i could >> post this.. > > Thanks. I can't believe I've never seen this before. > > My standing (begging) request to the label/management: please re-release the videos on DVD. If that's not possible, why not add a video like this as an "easter-egg" on some of the live DVDs? That and some video of studio-outtakes, live performances etc. > > T. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:29:07 -0300 From: "Jorge Sortica" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] International DVD? And Blue Monday/95 , Crystal Club Mix? Jorge - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Reed" To: "Nicolas LeBlanc" ; "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] International DVD? > Nopey. I've been thinking about this slightly. A proper DVD release. I > think we should have > > DVD 1 : "NewOrderStory" > (minus the full videos and including Transmission in full, Love Will Tear Us > Apart in full, Ceremony live 81, Temptation live 82, Atmosphere in full), > as well some updated interviews to bring the story up to date : or maybe > excerpts from the "in conversation" documentary from 316 and the "98-02" > documentary on 511 to tell the story if they're too damn lazy. > > That should be about two hours. > > EXTRAS : "Factory At Home" documentary 1984, (50 minutes) > _____________________________ > > DVD 2 : (the best of) New Order. > > Blue Monday 1983, Confusion 1983 edit, Perfect Kiss 12", Shellshock, State > Of The Nation, Bizarre Love Triangle, True Faith, Touched By The Hand Of > God, Blue Monday 1988, Fine Time, Round and Round, Run2, World In Motion, > Regret, Ruined In A Day, World, Spooky, 1963-95, Crystal, 60MPH, Here To > Stay, (20 songs, about 90 minutes) > > EXTRAS : > World-perfecto mix, live video, True Faith-94, Round & Round-94, The Happy > One (animated video), Thieves Like Us (TV broadcast), Regret (live at the > Apollo 98), (20 minutes) > > "Live At The BBC" 1984 TV Broadcast (25 minutes) 5 songs > "Live At Montreux" 1993 TV Broadcast (47 minutes) 9 songs > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" > To: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: (Fac33) [video] -> _new_order___blue_monday83(video)_ > > > Best thing would be a double-DVD, one having all videos, other having at TV > appearances in the UK... > > Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) writes: > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] > >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:15 PM > >> > >> someone asked if i could > >> post this.. > > > > Thanks. I can't believe I've never seen this before. > > > > My standing (begging) request to the label/management: please re-release > the videos on DVD. If that's not possible, why not add a video like this as > an "easter-egg" on some of the live DVDs? That and some video of > studio-outtakes, live performances etc. > > > > T. > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. > Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 05/02/2003 / Versão: 1.3.13 > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:05:44 -0800 From: Sam Habash Subject: Re: (Fac33) Special 12" / -1 On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 01:23:29PM -0800, shiva wrote: > > maybe i just haven't heard anything > > this emotional from the group since > > then, maybe irealized they could > > never surpass this effort? > > I think a 12inch of "Special" could've truly > rivaled. not sure it would've had quite the > orchestral variation of PK, but as far as > tangible emotional power and creating its own > complete atmoshere yes. I just picture (visual imagery for an aural sensation somehow seems appropriate here) Special sequeing into Avalanche...wait, that's what happens on the album! > I will always contend that song is the hidden > masterpiece/most underated Neworder product. One of more than several. "Too Late" on the 2nd Peel Session from 1982 is another (throwaway) gem. "All Day Long" was rediscovered for Retro's 2nd CD (you can thank Bernard Sumner for his last minute suggestion!). There are wonder New Order songs on various Electronic, Revenge, Monaco, and The Other Two albums as well. Fancy that. "Tighten Up" "Big Bang" "Shine" "Tender" "Under The Stars"...heh, Monaco's first album's chock full of 'em. "The River" "New Horizons" (I purposely avoided all the single releases) (...) > as Sam said, is it so hard for the complainers to > filter/delete (or 'reclaim' the list by posting > about neworder?)? Not just that, but rajg does have make good observations...I've picked up a few nuggets of previously-unknown info from him. - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:19:18 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_confusion(video_edit)_ 'confusion' hi new-order'ers, [files] just to finish off the confusion mixes.. i've posted one of the edit versions... this version comes from the video.. it's not on 'substance', 'retro' or 'international'... [history] new order's 8th release, they release several different mixes of this on the 12", and a few 7" mixes do exist, but are harder to find.. they even made a video for it when they went to new york. this is that version.. [review] this is the original song that they co-wrote with arthur baker.. yet another classic, electro track that spread the boundaries of 'new order' in the club/disco scene... they've re-released it a few times now, and just recently the 2002 mixes came out.. its not one of my favorite songs. but it has its interesting parts... this version is transferred from the '? best of' japanese laserdisc... feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== contact me for information later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 new_order-confusion(video_LD)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the japanese laserdisc '?' technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 4699951 bytes Length: 234 seconds <-3min54sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 9003 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- Substance 1989 [Sep 1989] VHS: CA 1989 (PolyGram 080 995-3) VHS: UK 1989 (Factory/Virgin FACT 225) VHS: US 1989 (Qwest Video 38152-3) LD: JP 1991 (Teichiku TELP-42036) 3:55 Confusion - - Also includes "The Happy One" pieced between clips. ? - (The Best Of) New Order [Dec 1994] VHS: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POVD-1011) [NTSC] VHS: UK 1994 (??? 633 730-3) [PAL] LD: JP 1995 (PolyGram Video POLD-1011) [NTSC] 3:55 Confusion - - Subtitled "They're afraid of what they see.." - ------------------------- 'when i tell you things' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:19:57 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _joy_division_transmission(live_video_edit)_ 'radio' hi new-order'ers, [files] well guess, what.. finally a song from 'joy division'... this is one of their better known songs 'transmission'.. and its a live version also... [history] well, someone else will have to fill in the gaps here: as far as the original version goes; Transmission 7" (October 1979) - ------------------------------ 7" Factory FAC 13 1 Transmission 2 Novelty Note: Recorded at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, July 1979. Originally released on 7" only, rereleased December 1980 as a 12" single with a new cover (FAC 13.12), see separate format for more details. and then: Transmission 12" (December 1980) - --------------------------------- 12" Factory FAC 13.12 1 Transmission 2 Novelty Note: Recorded at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, July 1979. Rerelease of the original 7" single (FAC 13) from October 1979 with a new cover. Said to have been released in the US in September 1980 (does anyone know for sure?). and of course from the album: Still double album (October 1981) - --------------------------------- 2LP Factory FACT 40 2MC Factory FACT 40 (1985) 2CD Factory/Columbia Japan CY-4205-6 (1989) CD Factory FACD 40 (March 1990) CD London 520017 (1994 reissue) 17 Transmission (3.19) this version is similar to that, but it taken from a tv show in 1979... [review] a very frantic , raw take on the song.. but incredibly energetic.. there's a little talking from 'bono', and 'bernard sumner' at the end..about how he doesn't mind talking about 'joy division' now.. its rather short though.. this version is transferred from the 'new order story' japanese laserdisc... feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== contact me for information later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 joy_division-transmission(video_LD)[160k].mp3 info - ----- from the japanese laserdisc technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 3474808 bytes Length: 173 seconds <-2min53sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 6656 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the joy division discography - ------------------------- NewOrderStory video (1993) - -------------------------- VHS London 087 134-3 1 Transmission - Joy Division (TV show) 2 Love will tear us apart - Joy Division (video) 21 Atmosphere - Joy Division (video during credit listing) Note: As indicated tracks 1-2 and 21 are as Joy Division, while the rest is New Order material. Track 1 was recorded live during the BBC program "Something Else", September 15, 1979, track 2 is the same video as on the "Here Are The Young Men" video (FACT 37), and track 21 (which is partly destroyed by the credit listing at the end of the video) is the promo video directed by Anton Corbijn. reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- New Order Story [Nov 1993] VHS: CA 1993 (PolyGram Video 440 087 135-3) [NTSC] * VHS: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POVD-1007) [NTSC] * VHS: UK 1993 (??? ???) [PAL] * 2xLD: JP 1993 (PolyGram Video POLD-1007/8) [NTSC] */*** Transmission VHS: US 1994 (Warner Reprise Video 38374-3) [NTSC] ** Transmission * Approximate running time 140 minutes. ** Approximate running time 60 minutes. *** Gatefold sleeve, with lyrics included. - ------------------------- 'live transmission' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:38:50 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _ceremony_archives_1999_ [query] once again admins, a question about the archives, i'm up to 1999, and in between volumes : 108 and 131 there is a gap.. volumes 109-130 are missing.. have these been lost? does anyone have them? (and can email them to me?) otherwise i will leave them out later || || | || || n e gat ive 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:33:18 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: (Fac33) JD Take it everyone here knows about www.joydiv.com ? Excellent site if you ask me. Especially the bootleg coverage. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:38:46 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: (Fac33) Confusion Is it just me or has the new Confusion CD5 not been released in Ireland? Any other Irish people here confirm this? I can't find it anywhere :( Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:52:38 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _joy_division_transmission(live_130779)_ 'radio' hi new-order'ers, [files] ok, now that we had one version of this song already.. here's another one.. from the 'atmosphere' cd-single. [history] well, someone else will have to fill in the gaps here: as far as the original version goes; Transmission 7" (October 1979) - ------------------------------ 7" Factory FAC 13 1 Transmission 2 Novelty Note: Recorded at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, July 1979. Originally released on 7" only, rereleased December 1980 as a 12" single with a new cover (FAC 13.12), see separate format for more details. and then: Transmission 12" (December 1980) - --------------------------------- 12" Factory FAC 13.12 1 Transmission 2 Novelty Note: Recorded at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, July 1979. Rerelease of the original 7" single (FAC 13) from October 1979 with a new cover. Said to have been released in the US in September 1980 (does anyone know for sure?). and of course from the album: Still double album (October 1981) - --------------------------------- 2LP Factory FACT 40 2MC Factory FACT 40 (1985) 2CD Factory/Columbia Japan CY-4205-6 (1989) CD Factory FACD 40 (March 1990) CD London 520017 (1994 reissue) 17 Transmission (3.19) this version is similar to that, but it taken from a another show in 1979, the hulme, in manchester... [review] another early live track...lots of raw energy, and energetic performance.. the levels are slightly distorted in the recording.. feel free to post your thoughts on it... [location] ====================================== contact me for information later - -1 ================================= track - ----- 1 joy_division-transmission(live_130779).mp3 info - ----- from the uk cds technical - ---------------------------------- Size: 4468506 bytes Length: 223 seconds <-3min43sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 8560 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None ================= reference : from the joy division discography - ------------------------- Atmosphere single rerelease (June 1988) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- CD Factory FACD 213 Atmosphere Transmission (live) Love Will Tear Us Apart MC Factory FACC 213 (Australasia) Atmosphere The Only Mistake Transmission (live) CD Polygram 870 578-2 (Canada) Atmosphere The Only Mistake Sound Of Music Transmission (live) Notes: Track 1 on all formats recorded at Cargo Studios, Manchester, October-November 1979. Track 2 on the 7", 12", MC, and Canadian CD recorded at Strawberry Studios, Stockport, April 1979. Track 3 on the 12", and Canadian CD recorded at Pennine Sound Studios, Oldham, March 1980. Track 2 on the CD recorded live at The Factory, Hulme, Manchester, July 13, 1979. Track 3 on the CD recorded at Pennine Sound Studios, Oldham, March 1980. Track 3 on the MC recorded live at The Factory, Hulme, Manchester, July 13, 1979. Track 4 on the Canadian CD recorded live at The Factory, Hulme, Manchester, July 13, 1979. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- - ------------------------- 'live transmission' ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #13 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .