From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #17 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 017 (Fac33) technical question? Re: (Fac33) sunkist RE: (Fac33) technical question? (Fac33) ergh.. i lost my bookmarks.. new order fonts! (Fac33) _various_new_order_stuff_ (Fac33) _new_order_requests_ (Fac33) [review] -> _new_order_sub-culture_ Re: (Fac33) ergh.. i lost my bookmarks.. new order fonts! Re: (Fac33) _new_order_requests_ RE: (Fac33) [review] -> _new_order_sub-culture_ (Fac33) Return to New York RE: (Fac33) _various_new_order_stuff_ (Fac33) New Order Story Re: (Fac33) Return to New York (Fac33) Turn The Heater On and Too Late RE: (Fac33) Return to New York Re: (Fac33) Return to New York (Fac33) [query] -> _prime_586(versions)_ Re: (Fac33) Return to New York (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_vicious_circle(new_order_mix)_ (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop RE: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop (Fac33) Blue Monday Re-Ordered Re: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ Re: (Fac33) Return to New York RE: Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:24:23 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lisa?= Subject: (Fac33) technical question? why is it that whenever i post to ceremony i get a message from mailer-deamon that says this: The original message was received at 200302240418303 郵件傳送失敗，接收用戶郵箱已滿. chant@phs.com.tw is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? this happened last time i posted and since i rarely post i thought it was just a freak incident but that was over a months ago.... Lisa ===== Paul van Dyk November 4th 22.00-2.40. arc NYC. insane. "Happy is a concept I try not to buy into-it gets me into trouble" "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all.I know it's crazy, but that's the only thing I'd really like to be...Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody"-J.D. Salinger "It's like you fail to make the connection, you know how vital it is; or when something slips thru your fingers, you know how precious it is- Well you reach the point where you know it's only your second skin"-Second Skin mix up the letters of FUNERAL and you get REAL FUN. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Eddie Colton Subject: Re: (Fac33) sunkist > this short segment is from a commercial that never aired.... > new order wanted to make some money by changing the lyrics to > 'blue monday'....however they decided not to... Where did you get this info? Considering they showed the finished commercial on the video complete with voiceover, I assumed it was aired. Otherwise, how would people have known about it, including the interviewer who knew the lyrics? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:29:45 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) technical question? It's not just you - the same message appeared when I posted earlier on today. l8rs, Nick ;-) > why is it that whenever i post to ceremony i get a > message from mailer-deamon that says this: > > > The original message was received at 200302240418303 > 郵件傳送失敗，接收用戶郵箱已滿. chant@phs.com.tw > > is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? > > this happened last time i posted and since i rarely > post i thought it was just a freak incident but that > was over a months ago.... > > Lisa > > > > ===== > Paul van Dyk November 4th 22.00-2.40. arc NYC. insane. > "Happy is a concept I try not to buy into-it gets me into trouble" > "I'd just be the catcher in the rye and all.I know it's crazy, > but that's the only thing I'd really like to be...Don't ever tell > anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody"-J.D. Salinger > "It's like you fail to make the connection, you know how vital it > is; or when something slips thru your fingers, you know how > precious it is- Well you reach the point where you know it's only > your second skin"-Second Skin > mix up the letters of FUNERAL and you get REAL FUN. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:22:59 -0500 From: "michael roehr" Subject: (Fac33) ergh.. i lost my bookmarks.. new order fonts! anyone know where i can get the "movement" font online ? thanks a bunch, mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:38:22 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _various_new_order_stuff_ hey mr mcgee, Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:17:44 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) _new_order____thieves_like_us(dies_for_good_fanmix)_ >>'the air that supports the eagle' > -> Uh-oh........... why?, i've listened to this about 100 times lately, the mixes, the singles, and various live versions, its all very clear... and not that its THE definitive version, but the songbook has the same words.. maybe bernard changed it a few times live ('id'?? and 'ego'??)...however, i've never heard it that way.. not trying to start up a debate, but this has been gone over many, many times on the old ceremony lists.. once i've got the archives up, it'll be easier to search for this kind of stuff... >ps There's a skip in the Baywatch Regret -1, hate to tell you.. that's not too helpful, can you say at what point, i listened to it, and didn't hear it. just let me know off-list, no-one else has said anything yet.. later | | | || | | || ne g ativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 20:03:00 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _new_order_requests_ hey shiva, Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) Re: ceremony-digest V2003 #15 >I think we're all too modest to *ask* for one >thing or another. unless, it's commercially available, or in print...it should be ok to ask.. it just might take awhile (or i might not have it)... >I'd love to get highQ download of Viscious Circle >New Order Mix personally. And as for posting ok, unless ally gets back on that, i'll get to it... >other tracks-- well, I'm a shameless Republic >lover so any remixes of World that you have, or world (the price of dub) 6:48 v this is the only version that's on vinyl, the rest are pretty easy to find (i'm not sure if the US 'best of' is the same as the radio edit)... >Regret Sabres Slow and Low would be fine by me. regret (sabres fast 'n' throb) 12:11 v, cd regret (sabres slow 'n' low) 12:49 v, cd yeah, these versions are a little harder to get on cd.. regret (sabres slow 'n' low edit) 6:41 cd <- on retro this one's still out, so no go... >Montage "international2" cover is kinda cool. >i'd suggest finer resolution for the component >images though. the originals are HUGE, so yeah, i didn't post the 1.5meg file.. >Can't say i think much of State of the Nacho... >get my fill of that track from Substance. there's 2 7" edits (for both 'shame' and 'state') and a video edit..which may or may not be different from the 7"... > Is the >single version of Murder any different from >Substance? that might be interesting... there's only one version of that song so far..but a remix would be cool, too bad there wasn't one..hmmm... later || | | | | | ne gativ e 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:24:24 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [review] -> _new_order_sub-culture_ 'these crazy words of mine' ok neworder's, and now onto the much maligned single by new order..its puzzling how much love/hate this song evokes from many fans... i'll have to admit, its hard to get 'into' this song.. the cryptic lyrics, the unconventional vocal inflections (or lack of)....and the especially damaging (to some) remixes that may have damaged 'new orders' entire appeal, and irrevocably sunk them down to the levels of sub-disco wannabe's thanks to john robies over-produced work on it.... but all is not as bad as it may seem... some thoughts on the various incarnations.. 1 - the album version 4:54 Sub-culture - ------------------------------- ...my original favorite...very evocative musically, and completely off-key singing..a rather annoyed/bored/lazy sounding take on the song...i don't know why, but i really liked it this way....very raw, and almost like a 'rough take' on it.. 2 the original edits - 3:24 Sub-culture (edit) 3:34 Dub-vulture (edit) - ---------------------------------- don't know, still waiting on them.. (should be very soon now)..i take it that they will be similar to the full versions but shortened.. 3 - 12" mixes 7:26 Sub-culture 7:57 Dub-vulture or subvulture 4:57 Sub-culture (remix edit) or 'substance' version - ----------------------------------- ok, this might be the point that new order officially sunk their previous attitude and appeal.. first of all, there was no real cover art...just some typography by peter saville, which in some ways could be construed as extreme minimalism (since the cover was black)...actually, the US and UK versions have different typography also.. ..or, as reported in other accounts, he didn't like the mixes, so he didn't create cover art for them.. i'll have to admit it, but i actually liked the john robie mixes at first, they were upbeat, they transformed the song, and they had some really cool effects, like stutter-edits, yeah, back in 1985 it was new.. however, i grew tired of them quickly, (and even more tired when 'substance' came out with the edit).... they deteriorated into the worst kind of over-produced disco, i'd heard in quite some time...(ok, at least the dub-vulture version had some rather ominous industrial sounding static at the end)... but those horrid back-up singers.. (night! tight!)...... uggghhhhh..what had become of them? is this really new order? gone were the vocals, the guitars, everything... it also set a very bad precedent for the band... especially coming out after their penultimate relase of 'the perfect kiss'... to me, this really started the bad trend of the many, many, horrible remixes that would come out later for new order.. and ultimately for me, was a death blow for what direction i felt they were going with their mixes.. dj mixes - -------------------- 7:10 Sub-culture (exclusive remix) or a faded version from the 1st razormaid mix.. (descriptions from another poster).. ?:?? 1st Subculture mix (1985): sort of similar to the Lowlife version, but with new synth breakdowns and some interesting effects. (i'm not sure what the time for the full version is) but yes, this is a decent version, building on the same synth parts, with a new beat.. not too bad overall... - --------------- - --------------- 8:30 2nd Subculture mix (1986): for this mix they brought in Debora Iyall of Romeo Void to do some additional vocals similar to the first razormaid mix, but bringing in the new vocals destroys this, much like the john robie mixes... 7:18? 2nd subculture mix variant (????): this mix is a weird mish-mash of the excellent 3rd mix, along with vocals from some other guy at the end, and then the new female vocals after that... i have no idea where this came from, but its not recommended... - --------------- - --------------- 6:55 3rd Subculture mix (1990): a completely new mix that sounds absolutely nothing like the Lowlife mix or the Substance mix. A sparse mix made up of a bass line, a synth line, minimal percussion, and Bernard's vocals. it took 5 years for this too come out, but HOLY COW, this is by far, one of the coolest, and best mixes of the song, EVER.. in fact it surpasses the album version...the vocals are slightly tweaked (not too much)...the instruments are very similar to the original, but more rhythmic, and there are some new vocal effects (whistling? 1 2 3 4...and some beats from 'blue monday' referred to in a very interesting way).. search high and low and find this mix....it may just change your mind about 'sub-culture', i know it did for me.. - --------------- later | || ||| | ||||| ne gativ e 1 'you won't even notice that you are alone' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:53:19 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) ergh.. i lost my bookmarks.. new order fonts! << anyone know where i can get the "movement" font online ? >> http://www.neworderonline.com/download.asp This is the font based on the Movement album on vinyl. The font used for the credits on the Movement CD is ITC Serif Gothic. http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/itc-serif-gothic/extra-bold/testdrive.ht ml?s=Dreams+never+end&p=48 regards ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:14:03 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) _new_order_requests_ << regret (sabres fast 'n' throb) 12:11 v, cd regret (sabres slow 'n' low) 12:49 v, cd yeah, these versions are a little harder to get on cd.. >> I just saw this on Ebay, but it looks like someone bought it already. It is the japanese version of Republic CD with the 2 tracks mentioned above as bonus tracks. regards ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:40:49 -0000 From: "Hibell, David (COMFIN, EEF)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [review] -> _new_order_sub-culture_ the record mirror 7" was a good version of this - worth getting. D - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: 23 February 2003 04:24 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) [review] -> _new_order_sub-culture_ 'these crazy words of mine' ok neworder's, and now onto the much maligned single by new order..its puzzling how much love/hate this song evokes from many fans... i'll have to admit, its hard to get 'into' this song.. etc This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:30:10 +0000 From: David Sydenham Subject: (Fac33) Return to New York Absolutely the the dogs knackers. Did anyone else go? Expecting new order vs pet shop boys dj set ie., dodgy djs playing great ne= w order/pet shop boys records badly mixed. What we actually got was great new order/pet shop boys djs playing records badly mixed. Or something to that effect. Imagine my surprise when I see peter hook poncing around behind the decks during an earlier set. The Pet shop boys played first, which got the crowd going. And out slopes barnie towards the end of their set for a turn on the steel wheels. Hooky did a lot of posing on the 'stage' with his Hawaiian shirt, a little stuck without the bass guitar. Everything went a little bit mad on the last record when a pounding remix of blue Monday came on. Bloody marvellous. Arthur Baker played after them in the main room which was great but the sound wasn=B9t great unless you stood next to a speaker. Everything trailed off after that and I went home in a state of euphoria having shook hookys hand.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:16:16 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) _various_new_order_stuff_ - -----Original Message----- From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] Sent: 23 February 2003 01:38 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) _various_new_order_stuff_ >>'the air that supports the eagle' > -> Uh-oh........... why?, i've listened to this about 100 times lately, the mixes, the singles, and various live versions, its all very clear... -> Sigh.. Just means you didn't get my attempt at humour Mr -1. "Uh-oh" means "Someone has dared to quote one of those infamous lyrics that always re-starts the age-old debates we've had a million times". I wasn't implying your lyric was wrong, nor was I attempting to debate it. >ps There's a skip in the Baywatch Regret -1, hate to tell you.. that's not too helpful, can you say at what point, i listened to it, and didn't hear it. -> I've deleted my download now because of it, so I can't say!! But I do know it was within the first minute. It jumped a second the way a CD would if it was scratched. Best guess it was between 30-60 seconds into the track. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:39:08 -0000 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: (Fac33) New Order Story Has anyone got a VHS PAL copy of the 140 minutes version of "NewOrderStory" they can copy for me? I just tried watching it and it's playing back in black & white with the picture flickering... it needs to be on DVD now! Mark ____________________________ "No cause is worth dying for when you're an atheist" - David Shayler Visit my website : http://www.markreed.cjb.net and also http://www.drownedinsound.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:05:21 -0000 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Return to New York Yeah, there was a good few of us there. Good night all round. I thought Barney closed with Blue Monday too but someone else assured me it was actually Alex James' opening track. Mind, Barney did play that Beat Club thing he was involved with. Not too sure about all these ManYoo references too. It's one thing in a live environment but Barney doing it DJ'ing too seems a bit pointless - David Beckham? Busby Babes? Hmmm. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sydenham" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: (Fac33) Return to New York Absolutely the the dogs knackers. Did anyone else go? Expecting new order vs pet shop boys dj set ie., dodgy djs playing great new order/pet shop boys records badly mixed. What we actually got was great new order/pet shop boys djs playing records badly mixed. Or something to that effect. Imagine my surprise when I see peter hook poncing around behind the decks during an earlier set. The Pet shop boys played first, which got the crowd going. And out slopes barnie towards the end of their set for a turn on the steel wheels. Hooky did a lot of posing on the 'stage' with his Hawaiian shirt, a little stuck without the bass guitar. Everything went a little bit mad on the last record when a pounding remix of blue Monday came on. Bloody marvellous. Arthur Baker played after them in the main room which was great but the sound wasn靖 great unless you stood next to a speaker. Everything trailed off after that and I went home in a state of euphoria having shook hookys hand.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:49:08 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) Turn The Heater On and Too Late hi. just got the peel sessions cd. can anyone tell me what the lyrics are to these songs? thanks in advance. kind regards, FS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:36:43 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Return to New York There's some superb photos at Rowetta's website here - http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=79290&messageid=10461053 76 The above site is the messageboard for Rowetta (Happy Mondays), who was also at the gig - check out www.rowetta.com Can't remember Blue Monday in Barney's set, as I had to leave shortly afterwards to catch the last train. Anyway, enjoy the photos, although you might need to ask Rowetta's permission to use them on your various sites. l8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]On > Behalf Of Al Jarvis > > > > Yeah, there was a good few of us there. Good night all round. I thought > Barney closed with Blue Monday too but someone else assured me it was > actually Alex James' opening track. > > Mind, Barney did play that Beat Club thing he was involved with. > > Not too sure about all these ManYoo references too. It's one > thing in a live > environment but Barney doing it DJ'ing too seems a bit pointless - David > Beckham? Busby Babes? Hmmm. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sydenham" > > > Absolutely the the dogs knackers. Did anyone else go? > > Expecting new order vs pet shop boys dj set ie., dodgy djs > playing great new > order/pet shop boys records badly mixed. What we actually got was > great new > order/pet shop boys djs playing records badly mixed. Or something to that > effect. > > Imagine my surprise when I see peter hook poncing around behind the decks > during an earlier set. The Pet shop boys played first, which got the crowd > going. And out slopes barnie towards the end of their set for a > turn on the > steel wheels. Hooky did a lot of posing on the 'stage' with his Hawaiian > shirt, a little stuck without the bass guitar. Everything went a > little bit > mad on the last record when a pounding remix of blue Monday came > on. Bloody > marvellous. > > Arthur Baker played after them in the main room which was great but the > sound wasn靖 great unless you stood next to a speaker. Everything trailed > off after that and I went home in a state of euphoria having shook hookys > hand.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:18:09 -0500 From: "michael roehr" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Return to New York Jeeeze someone tell Barney he's starting to look like my grandma! he should try out the Atkins diet too, i still hit the beer and have lost 45 (20+kilo) lbs in 3 months! mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick King" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) Return to New York There's some superb photos at Rowetta's website here - http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=79290&messageid=10461053 76 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:09:26 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _prime_586(versions)_ 'prime 586' [query] hey no'ers, ok, i've finally dug up my tape, the 'featuremist' compilation with the original versions of 'prime 586'... however, there's many questions about this (i've put my notes below the tracks): consulting 1) new order discography and worldinmotion.net both have this : - -------------------------------------- Featuremist December 1982 CS: UK 1982 (Touch T01) Prime 5-8-6 (part 1) no time given >> my note: >> on side a) time is 6:50 Prime 5-8-6 (part 2) no time given >> my note: >> on side b) time is 13:29 , shouldn't this be part 3? >> or are my times/tracks mixed up? - ----------------------------------------------- Touch Sampler 2 December 1996 CD: UK 1996 (Touch T_ZERO_2) 6:57 Prime 5-8-6 (part 2) Various artists. Much ahead of its time, a 23 minute track recorded for the opening of the Hacienda in Manchester in 1982, and a blueprint for "Blue Monday": it was published in 2 parts on the first Touch release, Feature Mist. This is the missing middle section. >> my note: >> i don't have this, however, if this is the >> real part 2, the 3 parts would be longer >> than 23 minutes.... - ----------------------------------------------- going to neworderonline.com : - ----------------------------------------------- UK Cassette (Touch T01) Track Song Band Version Time Notes Audio Video 1. 586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 1) ?:?? >> my note : time is 6:50 2. 586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 3) 6:57 >> my note : once again, do i have my times/versions >> mixed up? i thought this was the 13:29 version - ----------------------------------------------- UK CD (Touch T_ZERO_2) Track Song Band Version Time Notes Audio Video 9. 586 New Order Prime 5-8-6 (Part 3) 6:57 Labeled "Video 586.3" Release Notes From Touch's website: "For the first time on CD - New Order's Video 586, a blue print for 'Blue Monday'" >> does this mean that part 2 never got released? >> or is it labelled incorrectly??? - ----------------------------------------------- finally, there's this: - ---- A Factory Outing (Compilation) [Dec 1983] VHS: UK 1983 (Factory FACT 71) Prime 5-8-6 6:36 - ----- my note : i'm not sure which version this is, since i haven't compared it yet.. also, on a good note, the transfers from tape are actually decent quality.. it's going to be awhile before i can figure out the edit points for the cd version of video 586, to re-create them... does anyone have a clearer idea of what is going on with the versions? later || | | || | | ne g ati v e1 'video 586' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:06:42 EST From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Return to New York Ha ha, I remember watching 316 with a friend a few months ago, and he kept saying "Oooh, Barney's gotten breasts!" and "Ooooh, look at his tummy!" in a rather scandalous tone of voice. I like that Barney's looking more like your typical middle-aged bloke, while still doing cool stuff like singing ace New Order dance songs and such... xox Mike In a message dated 2/24/03 2:18:58 PM, mroehr@tampabay.rr.com writes: << Jeeeze someone tell Barney he's starting to look like my grandma! he should try out the Atkins diet too, i still hit the beer and have lost 45 (20+kilo) lbs in 3 months! mike >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:15:30 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [mp3] -> _new_order_vicious_circle(new_order_mix)_ 'gotta have house music' hi neworder'ers [files] ok, since we're waiting on some other tracks, and this has been requested.. this is taken from the UK cassette single of 'ruined in a day' [history] this was the only non-album track new order recorded during republic. a remixed version by mike haas appeared on the cd-single.. [review] from the 27th single they released, and the second one from the album 'republic'... this is very housey instrumental, full of samples, and lots of other effects..some acidey sounding keyboards, and some guitar/bass thrown in for good measure.. yes, new order did produce it, but in listening to it, i prefer the mike haas mix, which actually has pretty much all the same elements, but re-arranged.. without the annoying samples.. i've tried cleaning up the noise, and boosting the levels from the cassette version for this..you may need to adjust them further on your system though... feel free to post your thoughts on it... check it out.. [location] ====================================== contact me for information - ---------------- track - ----- 1 - new_order-vicious_circle(new_order_mix)[160k].mp3 info - -------------------------- Size: 5108506 bytes Length: 255 seconds <-4min15sec MPEG 1.0 layer 3 160kbit, 9786 frames 44100hz Joint Stereo Private: No CRCs: No Copyrighted: Yes Original: Yes Emphasis: None reference : from the new order discography - ------------------------- Ruined in a Day NUOCD 2 June 1993 CS: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. NUOMC 2) [Int 857217.4] 4:09 Vicious Circle (new order mix) CMS: UK 1993 (London/FFRR ???) [promo studio cassette] 4:09 Vicious Circle (new order mix) - ------------------------- later | || ||| || || n e g a tive 1 'i feel it' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: shiva Subject: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop Is it just me or does this video (which is damn good) seem *very* reminiscent of both the True Faith and Blue Monday 88 vids? The buckets, the plastic balls and bottles, the isolated and distortedly costumed individuals? Even bits of choreography seemed directly pulled from TF. I love it. Also interesting, i just watched Scorcese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" on DVD, which had, as a special feature, some cool photographs of Peter Gabriel's Real World Studios. This is where, as I understand, at least GetReady was put down (and the next album too, supposedly?). Its like this amazing, futuristic, glassy studio jutting out over water, protruding from an ancient and enormous stone castle-- what a place to work! shiva. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:22:58 -0000 From: "Hibell, David (COMFIN, EEF)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop not sure about get ready but the real world studio in box (near bath - boo!) was where republic was recorded. - -----Original Message----- From: shiva [mailto:ignytion@yahoo.com] Sent: 26 February 2003 09:20 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop Also interesting, i just watched Scorcese's "The Last Temptation of Christ" on DVD, which had, as a special feature, some cool photographs of Peter Gabriel's Real World Studios. This is where, as I understand, at least GetReady was put down (and the next album too, supposedly?). Its like this amazing, futuristic, glassy studio jutting out over water, protruding from an ancient and enormous stone castle-- what a place to work! This e-mail is intended for the addressee(s) named above only. As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, if you are not the named addressee(s) or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee(s), please telephone us immediately. The contents of this e-mail should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:19:48 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: (Fac33) Blue Monday Re-Ordered The infamous DMC remix of Blue Monday (Re-Ordered) is being re-released by DMC (on CD) in March. T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: happenstance Subject: Re: (Fac33) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Can't Stop i thought the same thing, and i also thought they were trying to be "funny" more than artistic/serious. however, the end of the video claims that it is inspired by some artist, leading me to believe that it is not sarcastic nor inspired (directly, at least) by new order. it sure felt like a 80s resurection video. it's amazing what a good video can do for a song... geoffrey > Is it just me or does this video (which is damn > good) seem *very* reminiscent of both the True > Faith and Blue Monday 88 vids? The buckets, the > plastic balls and bottles, the isolated and > distortedly costumed individuals? Even bits of > choreography seemed directly pulled from TF. > > I love it. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:03:25 +0100 From: "Mick Aneworderfan" Subject: Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:01:15 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ and i hadn't listened to 'substance' in awhile, and was looking at the discography.. [Disc 2] 6:58 Hurt ok, here's the original 12"... 8:13 Hurt hmm....looks like its edited also, and i never noticed it.. *Yes, I always loved the original 12" version, with that bit in the middle which is cut on Substance... they should have stated on the compilation that was an edit, but then they wrote Cries And Whispers was Mesh, so who wonders? ;-) mick: mick973@email.it aneworderfan: http://stop.at/aneworderfan - -- Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Tutti i nuovi modelli di telefonia su Ebest Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=550&d=26-2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:47:53 -0000 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Return to New York Hmmm. I thought the Atkins diet involved avoiding carbohydrates? And 'hitting the beer' involves downing LOTS of carbohydrates, surely? You sure you're doing this right?! ;-) Barney looked fine on Saturday. We were sat next to the lads in the Terminus bar and he looked like a very contented, very trendy individual, fast approaching his half century admittedly, sat with his close family (he had his 10-week old son with him), his friends and his entourage. Face facts - stick anyone on a stage in a dark dank club and ask them to do a silly chimp dance and they ain't gonna come out of it looking good if you take random polaroids of them at will. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael roehr" To: Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) Return to New York > Jeeeze someone tell Barney he's starting to look like my grandma! he should > try out the Atkins diet too, i still hit the beer and have lost 45 (20+kilo) > lbs in 3 months! > > mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick King" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:36 PM > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Return to New York > > > There's some superb photos at Rowetta's website here - > http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=79290&messageid=10461053 > 76 > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:36:12 -0500 From: "James Shum" Subject: RE: Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ On the Substance CD, Perfect Kiss, Subculture and Shellshock are also all edits from the original 12" versions. ________________________________________________________ JAMES SHUM http://www.geocities.com/james_shum/NewOrder > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Mick Aneworderfan > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:03 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ > > > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:01:15 -0600 > From: "-1" > Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _newo_singles300103_ > > and i hadn't listened to 'substance' > in awhile, and was looking at the > discography.. > > [Disc 2] > 6:58 Hurt > > > ok, here's the original 12"... > > 8:13 Hurt > > hmm....looks like its edited also, > and i never noticed it.. > > *Yes, I always loved the original 12" version, with that bit > in the middle which is cut on Substance... they should have > stated on the compilation that was an edit, but then they > wrote Cries And Whispers was Mesh, so who wonders? ;-) > > mick: mick973@email.it > aneworderfan: http://stop.at/aneworderfan > > > > > > -- > Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: > http://www.email.it/f > > Sponsor: > Tutti i nuovi modelli di > telefonia su Ebest > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=550&d=26-2 ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #17 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .