From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #24 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Friday, April 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 024 RE: (Fac33) Kevin Cummins Book Re: (Fac33) Kevin Cummins Book >Subject: (Fac33) Blue Monday (Hi 5 mix) Re: (Fac33) fools Re: (Fac33) fools (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? Re: (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? RE: (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? (Fac33) Manchester....so much to answer for (Fac33) New Order remixed... (Fac33) Maertini Broes cover/remix of "Love Will Tear Us Apart".. (Fac33) New NME Originals Issue on "Madchester" out now.. RE: (Fac33) New NME Originals Issue on "Madchester" out now.. (Fac33) NME Joy Division Stuff (Fac33) _to_edit_or_not_to_edit_ (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_upcoming_090403_ RE: (Fac33) _to_edit_or_not_to_edit_ (Fac33) 511 Re: (Fac33) 511 Re: (Fac33) 511 Re: (Fac33) New Order remixed... Re: (Fac33) 511 RE: (Fac33) 511 Re: (Fac33) 511 Re: (Fac33) 511 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 21:19:30 +0100 From: "John Gardner" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Kevin Cummins Book Or you can get it from amazon.co.uk for =A313.99 JG - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dignam Sent: 04 April 2003 20:43 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) Kevin Cummins Book I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, I'm sure I'd remember if they did... http://www.hmv.co.uk/servlet/HMVApp/Registration.StartUp/createSessionId ?ct=3Dpd&sku=3D219535&source=3D9949 They're taking "pre-orders" on it now, which is kind of appropriate I suppose :-) best Mark ramsesblue@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:09:30 EST From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Kevin Cummins Book isn't this the same cover being used for the Peter Saville book? kind regards, FS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:23:26 +0200 From: "Mick Aneworderfan" Subject: >Subject: (Fac33) Blue Monday (Hi 5 mix) >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:45:29 -0500 (EST) >From: Brian Cameron - IST >Subject: (Fac33) Blue Monday (Hi 5 mix) > >Came across this *arresting* version of Blue Monday. Enjoy :^) >home.cogeco.ca/~aprilfools/BM_Hi5.mp3 *You know what, I perversely like it somehow. Yes I did enjoy it actually... mick: mick973@email.it the NewOrders: http://www.neworder.musicpage.com [ www.neworders.tk does not work anymore ] - -- Prendi GRATIS l'email universale che... risparmia: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Sconti fino al 20% per i magnifici bouquet di Artefiori! Clicca qui! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=750&d=4-4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 10:16:26 +0100 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) fools > So were the Leeds and Reading announcements on neworderonline.com an April > fools thing, or what?! > Yep. Some people, eh? Although, having said that, Reading & Leeds haven't been announced yet. We can but hope! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 12:28:31 +0100 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (Fac33) fools Yeah, its about time they played Reading again... though they aren't due til 2004 : See, 89 + 4 = 93 + 5= 98, 98 + 6 = 2004! M - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Jarvis" To: "P SAVILLE" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: (Fac33) fools > So were the Leeds and Reading announcements on neworderonline.com an April > fools thing, or what?! > Yep. Some people, eh? Although, having said that, Reading & Leeds haven't been announced yet. We can but hope! - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 14:06:40 -0500 From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? Hey kids What is the first known date that New Order played Blue Monday in concert? I'm trying to figure it out. Any basic info is fine. I'm listening to the 11-27-82 Melbourne version because I have it here on my computer, but I can't remember about dates & setlists before this one. Thanks xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:59:31 -0800 From: Sam Habash Subject: Re: (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? On Sat, Apr 05, 2003 at 02:06:40PM -0500, GaoBest@aol.com wrote: > Hey kids > What is the first known date that New Order played Blue Monday in concert? > I'm trying to figure it out. Any basic info is fine. I'm listening to the > 11-27-82 Melbourne version because I have it here on my computer, but I > can't remember about dates & setlists before this one. 27 NOV 82 seems to be the first _vocal_ live performance on record, but it seems that http://www.waterrat.com/nogig.htm lists Palais Theatre on 25 NOV 82 as the first performance, which appears to have been an "instrumental, ie: The Beach" as Water Rat puts it. I've yet to hear either version myself, though I have a *video* dub of the Seaview Ballroom performance. I'll be getting some capture equipment (video module for Archos Multimedia Jukebox 20) soon so I may be inclined to make this the first thing I attempt to capture and make available to all you folks. I'll be in the midst of moving soon, so it may not appear immediately...I would have used that to capture some audio, but the MMJB only records as VBR, which is tricky to split properly. I have a list of all of New Order's live debuts at: http://www.new-order.net/no/facs/livedebuts.html There's some interesting facts there...like the fact that 'Skullcrusher' was debuted in 1984 at around the time the rest of Low Life, and not earlier, and that 'Guilty Partner' is the only song from Technique not to have been played live until 1998. That in itsef suggests that New Order is well aware of what goes on as their gigs, as much as they like us to think they are blithe about that stuff. I just realized I need to update it for the '02 gigs. I'll do that posthaste. Take care, - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 18:05:31 -0500 From: Nicolas LeBlanc Subject: RE: (Fac33) research Q: Earliest live Blue Monday? Blue Monday Live Statistics: This was played live 187 times. Live Debut: Palais Theatre, Melbourne, Victoria (AU) on Thursday, November 25, 1982. Last Live : Old Trafford Cricket Ground, Manchester (UK) on Saturday, July 13, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:14:31 -0700 From: Edwin Veltman Subject: (Fac33) Manchester....so much to answer for May be of interest to those of you in the San Francisco Bay Area... - -edwin >Manchester....so much to answer for > >Saturday, April 12 > >9pm > >$10 > >----> Event Description <----------------------------------------------- > > >THE EDINBURGH CASTLE PRESENTS > >MANCHESTER >So Much to Answer For > >"Manchester is the belly and the guts of the nation." >George Orwell > >No other English city has had such a profound impact on British pop >culture than the northern industrial city of Manchester. > >THE MANC SOUND >Manchester Blues legend John Mayall is considered the inventor of >British rock and roll. From the New Wave icons of Joy Division and The >Fall, to the eighties pop of New Order and The Smiths. To the dance >revolution called Madchester, with the Happy Mondays and the Hacienda >nightclub, to the nineties Brit-Pop phenomena ruled over by Oasis. >What's next? It is probably from Manchester. > >THE FOOTBALL >Manchester is the home of the greatest soccer club in the world; >Manchester United. and their arch rivals, Manchester City. Legends are >born there. > >CORONATION STREET >British TV viewers flock to their screens to watch Coronation Street, >set in working class Manchester. Today it remains the most watched >British TV show. > >THE MANCHESTER FAME LIST >Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto, Albert Finney, James Mason, >Ben Kingsley, Danny Boyle Mike Leigh, Morrissey, The Chemical Brothers, >Boddingtons, Umbro, Tony Wilson, The Hacienda Night Club, Ecstacy, >George Best, 10CC, The Bee Gees, The Buzzcocks, LS Lowry, The >Industrial Revolution, Cracker, Noel and Liam Gallagher, Anthony >Burgess. > > >TONIGHT'S ENTERTAINMENT > >LIVE MUSIC TRIBUTE TO THE MANC SOUND >THE PREMIERE OF THE MANCHESTER FILM, ON THE BIG SCREEN >MANCHESTER LIT. Readings. >Raffle Prizes. (Manchester United Football and more) > > >DJ DANCE PARTY >THE PLAY LIST INCLUDES > >Buzzcocks, John Mayall, The Fall , Slaughter & The Dogs, The Stone >Roses, The Bee Gees, The Smiths, The Happy Mondays, New Order, A >Certain Ratio , The Chemical Brothers , Take That , Sounds from Cream & >The Hacienda , The Chameleons UK, Simply Red , Victoria Beckham , >Oasis , Freddie and The Dreamers, James , The Charlatans , Durutti >Column , 808 State, Joy Division , Hermans Hermits , Robbie Williams, >The Hollies, 10cc, f Big Country, Ultravox > >----> Venue Info <------------------------------------------------------ > >Edinburgh Castle Pub >950 Geary St >San Francisco >415-885-4074 >www.castlenews.com > >----> Additional Info <------------------------------------------------- > >maxblack@pacbell.net >415-885-4074 >www.castlenews.com > > >---> The Squid List Admin <--------------------------------------------- > >The Squid List, a tentacle of Laughing Squid >http://www.laughingsquid.org/squidlist/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:33:50 +0100 From: "Nick King" Subject: (Fac33) New Order remixed... Whilst browsing Hard To Find Record's website, I found the following clips... http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR80377.mp3 (Love Will Tear Us Apart & Hurt) http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR73273.mp3 (Blue Monday 2002 Trance Mix) Rob Searle http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR91433.mp3 (Total Confusion 2002) http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR83333.mp3 (Your Silent Face 2002) (Jakarta US Re-work) Some are not that bad, but most are a travesty... Thoughts? l8rs, Nick ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:45:46 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Roland=20Metzger?= Subject: (Fac33) Maertini Broes cover/remix of "Love Will Tear Us Apart".. Hi all Last saturday I went to see Berlin DJ-Duo Maertini Broes DJ at a local club called Toni Molkerei here in Zurich, Switzerland. At 4:30 they dropped a wicked new version of "Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division. It's done in a hypnotic and very dancey Electroclash-style. A seductive, dirty female does the full vocals. Very excellent. Maertini Broes told me that they did the remix themselves last week... Definitely something 2 look 4ward 2! Tschuess Roli PS: Check the website http://www.maertinibroes.de/ 4 more info about them (no mentioning yet of this new cover version). __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:53:33 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Roland=20Metzger?= Subject: (Fac33) New NME Originals Issue on "Madchester" out now.. Hi all Check out www.nmeoriginals.com. NME has a "commemorative" issue out about Madchester... Makes me feel old... Roli __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Bis zu 100 MB Speicher bei http://premiummail.yahoo.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:08:27 +0100 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) New NME Originals Issue on "Madchester" out now.. There's not that much about New Order, however - the most is about 2 pages on the collapse of Factory... Lots of articles on The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, and some on the Inspirals, Northside and the Charlatans. l8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi all > > Check out www.nmeoriginals.com. NME has a > "commemorative" issue out about Madchester... > > Makes me feel old... > > Roli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:51:40 +0100 From: David Sydenham Subject: (Fac33) NME Joy Division Stuff http://www.oasiscommunications.com/dsydenham/NewOrder/joydivision.gif enjoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:26:15 -0500 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) _to_edit_or_not_to_edit_ 'i thought i was mistaken' hey t, Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:56:53 -0600 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [mp3] -> new_order___blue_monday(polish_7inch_edit)[ cd]____fanmixv1.0___ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: -1 [mailto:rajg@nol.net] >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:09 PM >> >> this version is DIFFERENT >> from the video edit, and >> from the japanese 7" edit, >> (and the uk 7" edit also i >> guess)... >To me, there has to be a little bit more (albeit not much more) to an edit >than simply using a fader on a longer version. The *only* differences >between this version and the 12" version are that the full intro and >outro are not there. Therefore, saying that this is an edit would be too >much. If that's the case, one could argue that the BM on Substance >(where the first beat is missing) would be a "Substance Edit". >BTW: I have exclusive edits of every Get Ready track before the >final mix, since the *cough*CD*cough*R*cough* I have for some >reason skips the first 0.1 seconds of every track. Now that's rare... >Just my 0.02 Euros, which is worth more than my $0.02 these days... :) >T. i think the 'edits' are essential when compiling a complete view of new orders releases.. that's why they're 'edits', and NOT edit/remixes, or single/remixes... the main importance of the 'blue monday' edits, simplistic as they may be...is that there are ONLY A FEW OFFICIAL VERSIONS of them.. whether you agree with this or not, and of course, you mention them in YOUR DISCOGRAPHY... they ARE OFFICIAL.. and in fact, most people have never heard them.. that's why i think its VERY IMPORTANT to re-create them (in lieu of not having the originals)... simple mispressings, or as you say +/- a few seconds, do NOT constitute an extra edit in my view.. hopefully someday, the REAL versions will be released...but until then, this is all we have, and luckily a few people have them, and have conveyed the information to us.. later | || || || || | n eg ati ve 1 'how does it feel?' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:46:34 -0500 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _new_order_files_upcoming_090403_ hey no'ers, ok, i've been out of it for awhile...but for good reason.. 1) i'm suffering from some kind of serious hearing problem, which may or may not be permanent.. i don't want this to affect the quality of tracks...however, due to aging, and going to loud concerts/clubs in the past, i may not be able to do anything about this.... losing my hearing is not something i look forward to... 2) watching the war 3) celebrating my birthday 4) i've actually been working on contract for the last few weeks, so at least i have some more money... 5) collecting more releases, - - ruined in a day (US promo 12") 12": US 1993 (Qwest PRO-A-6318) [promo] 6:14 Ruined in a Day (instrumental) - - The Beautiful Game 1996 CD: UK 1996 (BMG Records UK 38208 2) 4:56 World in Motion (mark bell '96 remix) - - Bright Lights, Big City 1988 CD: US 1988 (Warner 9 25688-2) True Faith (morning sun editted remix) 5:51 - - Threesome March 1994 CD: US 1994 (Epic EK 57881) 3:23 Bizarre Love Triangle (exclusive remix) - - Ruined in a Day NUOCD 2 June 1993 CD5: UK 1993 (London/CentreDate Co Ltd. NOMIXDJ2) [promo] 3:55 Ruined in a Day (k-klass edit) ** - - Bizarre Love Triangle [Nov 1986] 7": CA 1986 (PolyGram FAC 26) [gatefold sleeve] ** 3:40 Bizarre Love Triangle (edit) 3:23 Bizarre Dub Triangle (edit) - - 20 years best of promo cd (w/60mph david kahne mix 2) - - electronic/Until the End of Time December 1996 12": UK 1996 (Parlophone RDJ 6483) [white label promo] * NOTE: i got this for US$15 - - electronic/Prodigal Son April 1999 10": UK 1999 (Parlophone 10RDJ 6516) [promo] - - Blue Monday 1988 Fac 73R March 1988 CD5: JP 1988 (Factory/Nippon Columbia CY-5020) 7:09 Blue Monday 1988 4:17 Beach Buggy (edit) 7:29 Blue Monday (does anyone else have this release? mine has a plastic ring around the edge of the cd, i'm not sure if it is supposed to have that, it doesn't affect the playback though..i can put up a scan of it)... hopefully, i'll get back to posting more tracks, i know a lot of you have been asking for them..i'll let you know when they're up.. thanx for your patience.. later |||| || | | | ne g at ive 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:37:03 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) _to_edit_or_not_to_edit_ > Re: new_order___blue_monday(polish_7inch_edit)[ cd]____fanmixv1.0___ > > >than simply using a fader on a longer version. The *only* differences > >between this version and the 12" version are that the full intro and > >outro are not there. Therefore, saying that this is an edit > >would be too much > > i think the 'edits' are essential when compiling > a complete view of new orders releases.. > > that's why they're 'edits', and NOT edit/remixes, or > single/remixes... I never said that I didn't like edits and that they do not deserve a place in a discography. In fact, I like edits and the do derserve a place in the Discography. I disagreed that the BM track on the Polish 7" would be considered an edit. On that 7", the BM track is simply the 12" version that is faded out after a certain time - to my knowledge, there is *nothing* different between the Polish 7" and the regular 12" up to that point. The same holds true for the 1-sided German 7" of Confusion - just a fade-out, not an edit. Well, that's just my point of view. Nice to see you back though, -1 (or j^2). Maybe there can be some activity on the list again - even if the posts are strangely formatted... :) T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:46:41 +0930 From: "Brad Edwards" Subject: (Fac33) 511 I just got the region 4 DVD and was pretty impressed. A couple of thoughts: *LWTUA is one of the few JD tracks they really, REALLY do justice to - it cranks! *They rock out a fair bit these days don't they? Maybe a bit too much? *John Simm played Barney in 24HPP right? *Dawn Zee is much more enjoyable in DAT form. *In the extra footage of Confusion, Barney plays bass. Never knew that! *I'm still not sure if Barney's whooping / ski-dancing / maniacal screams are genious / hilarious / embarrassing / disturbing. *Great to see Steven's drumming from different angles - he's always interesting to watch being left-handed (I assume). *Has anyone ever seen Hooky do the splits so much that Sarge had to help him back up Nigel Tufnel style? Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:29:11 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 > I just got the region 4 DVD and was pretty impressed. > A couple of thoughts: >=20 > *LWTUA is one of the few JD tracks they really, REALLY do justice to - it > cranks! their version of transmission is good too (don=B4t know if it=B4s on 5 11 though) > *They rock out a fair bit these days don't they? Maybe a bit too much? no, they seem to enjoy more the rock tracks than the dance ones. and me too= ! > *John Simm played Barney in 24HPP right? yep > *Dawn Zee is much more enjoyable in DAT form. her or her voice? :) > *In the extra footage of Confusion, Barney plays bass. Never knew that! yes, he plays slapping style > *I'm still not sure if Barney's whooping / ski-dancing / maniacal screams > are genious / hilarious / embarrassing / disturbing. all of that :) > *Great to see Steven's drumming from different angles - he's always > interesting to watch being left-handed (I assume). he=B4s right-handed. if he was left-handed he=B4d play de hi-hat with his left hand and no with his right one. > *Has anyone ever seen Hooky do the splits so much that Sarge had to help = him > back up Nigel Tufnel style? can=B4t answer this. don=B4t know who nigel is :P alejo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 16:13:42 +0930 From: "Brad Edwards" Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 >their version of transmission is good too (donīt know if itīs on 5 11 though) Yep, very good it is too. But LWTUA is so uplifting and powerful - it shouldn't be that good! > *They rock out a fair bit these days don't they? Maybe a bit too much? no, they seem to enjoy more the rock tracks than the dance ones. and me too! Fair call, I like it too. But I found myself wanting to fast forward Close Range > *John Simm played Barney in 24HPP right? yep Then it's pretty weird to see a singer and his imposter share a microphone. Almost as surreal as Regret on Baywatch. > *Dawn Zee is much more enjoyable in DAT form. her or her voice? :) She bugs me with that 'soulful' wailing. DAT is preferable because then at least I don't have to see her. > *In the extra footage of Confusion, Barney plays bass. Never knew that! yes, he plays slapping style I'd love to hear the full version live! > *I'm still not sure if Barney's whooping / ski-dancing / maniacal screams > are genious / hilarious / embarrassing / disturbing. all of that :) It is rather unique I must say! Somewhat endearing, somewhat cringeworthy. More endearing though. > *Great to see Steven's drumming from different angles - he's always > interesting to watch being left-handed (I assume). heīs right-handed. if he was left-handed heīd play de hi-hat with his left hand and no with his right one. Hmm. His style has always looked unusual to me when he plays. Does he hold the sticks in an unconventional way then? Or am I just talking bollocks? > *Has anyone ever seen Hooky do the splits so much that Sarge had to help him > back up Nigel Tufnel style? canīt answer this. donīt know who nigel is :P Lead guitar, Spinal Tap. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:53:10 EDT From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) New Order remixed... << http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR80377.mp3 (Love Will Tear Us Apart & Hurt) >> the love will tear us apart verson is interesting. a computer or a vocoder singing the lyrics is an concept i didn't think would work. i have a freind who is really big into the that style of music. Hurt, however, just seems to miss the target in my opinion. I can't put my finger on it, but it misses something or has too much of something. where are the boombastic drums that we hear in the original? << http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR73273.mp3 (Blue Monday 2002 Trance Mix) Rob Searle>> this sounds like something on the Blue Monday 95 single, although they do add an interesting synth sound towards the end of the clip. << http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR83333.mp3 (Your Silent Face 2002) (Jakarta US Re-work) >> i find this to be simply hideous. the timing of the vocals is wrong and the style of singing doesn't work either. << http://www.htfr.com/mp3/MR91433.mp3 (Total Confusion 2002) >> similar to the new order vs. arthur baker confusion remixes although not as powerful as the arthur baker '02 confusion remix. thats my .02 cents. what does everyone else think about the clips? Kind Regards, FS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:56:41 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 >> their version of transmission is good too (don=B4t know if it=B4s on 5 11 >> though) > Yep, very good it is too. But LWTUA is so uplifting and powerful - it > shouldn't be that good! personally i don=B4t like LWTUA as new order. the chorus becomes a bit stupid= , if you will. =20 >>> *They rock out a fair bit these days don't they? Maybe a bit too much? >> no, they seem to enjoy more the rock tracks than the dance ones. and me = too! > Fair call, I like it too. But I found myself wanting to fast forward Clos= e > Range close range is good but is not played with enough energy, IMHO =20 >>> *John Simm played Barney in 24HPP right? >> yep > Then it's pretty weird to see a singer and his imposter share a microphon= e. > Almost as surreal as Regret on Baywatch. you saw 24HPP? well if you didn=B4t then rent it and listen to john simm=B4s version of blue monday. pretty decent! =20 >>> *Dawn Zee is much more enjoyable in DAT form. >> her or her voice? :) > She bugs me with that 'soulful' wailing. DAT is preferable because then a= t > least I don't have to see her. she=B4s not THAT ugly :) =20 >>> *In the extra footage of Confusion, Barney plays bass. Never knew that! >> yes, he plays slapping style > I'd love to hear the full version live! then get the "pumped full of drugs" video. there you have a full live version of it. and barney plays de bass too. >>> *I'm still not sure if Barney's whooping / ski-dancing / maniacal screa= ms >>> are genious / hilarious / embarrassing / disturbing. >> all of that :) > It is rather unique I must say! Somewhat endearing, somewhat cringeworthy= . > More endearing though. yeah. all of that too :) =20 >>> *Great to see Steven's drumming from different angles - he's always >>> interesting to watch being left-handed (I assume). >> he=B4s right-handed. if he was left-handed he=B4d play de hi-hat with his le= ft >> hand and no with his right one. > Hmm. His style has always looked unusual to me when he plays. Does he hol= d > the sticks in an unconventional way then? Or am I just talking bollocks? yes he is. he holds the sticks very tight, with his hands like a fist, and also he holds them at the half. usually drummers hold the sticks a little more loose and back in order to have more sensitivity. >>> *Has anyone ever seen Hooky do the splits so much that Sarge had to hel= p >>> him >>> back up Nigel Tufnel style? >> can=B4t answer this. don=B4t know who nigel is :P > Lead guitar, Spinal Tap. ah, ok, hahaha. yes! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 09:28:16 -0400 From: Nicolas LeBlanc Subject: RE: (Fac33) 511 You truly like all the "Come On!!" on LWTUA Brad? Or maybe I missed to read a part of your posts.. And the whooping too! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:39:41 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 I also like the way Phil Cunningham plays guitar in Blue Monday - gives it a little extra flavor, as well as reminding me of the earlier live versions (Australia/NZ 1982) of that song. I love seeing Barney do the whoops/maniacal screams/etc - match them with his fortysomething body, and it's just so inspiring to see him act like he's still a kid. I hope he keeps doing it - why the need to grow older with dignity and grace? :-) x Mike In a message dated 4/10/03 11:19:41 PM, brade27@bigpond.com writes: << I just got the region 4 DVD and was pretty impressed. A couple of thoughts: *LWTUA is one of the few JD tracks they really, REALLY do justice to - it cranks! *They rock out a fair bit these days don't they? Maybe a bit too much? *John Simm played Barney in 24HPP right? *Dawn Zee is much more enjoyable in DAT form. *In the extra footage of Confusion, Barney plays bass. Never knew that! *I'm still not sure if Barney's whooping / ski-dancing / maniacal screams are genious / hilarious / embarrassing / disturbing. *Great to see Steven's drumming from different angles - he's always interesting to watch being left-handed (I assume). *Has anyone ever seen Hooky do the splits so much that Sarge had to help him back up Nigel Tufnel style? Brad >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 08:50:15 +0930 From: "Brad Edwards" Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 Except that he never did it when he was a kid. I guess that's what makes it so amusing :) > and it's just so inspiring to see him act like he's > still a kid. I hope he keeps doing it - why the need to grow older with > dignity and grace? :-) ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #24 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .