From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #32 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, June 11 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 032 RE: (Fac33) looking for lost listmember (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs (Fac33) Colin Loo/VIC/NAB/NAG_AP is out of the office. (Fac33) later DVD Region 1 RE: (Fac33) later DVD Region 1 (Fac33) hooky's gear Re: (Fac33) hooky's gear RE: (Fac33) hooky's gear RE: (Fac33) hooky's gear Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs RE: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! (Fac33) Honor Student Re: (Fac33) Honor Student Re: (Fac33) Honor Student Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! RE: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! (Fac33) 511 revisted Re: (Fac33) 511 revisted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:30:03 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) looking for lost listmember Probably best to grab her around the waist, locking your hands behind her so she doesn't fall over. Brian - -----Original Message----- From: happenstance [mailto:neworderboy@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 June 2003 02:19 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) looking for lost listmember Does anyone know how to get a hold of Saira? Thanks, Geoffrey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:07:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Deron Pease Subject: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Hi all, I'm another fan who took Michael Siou up on his offer of the Australia/NewZealand 1987 gigs: Mike advertised as: > 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy) > 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks) > 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name) Waterrat's page is slightly different: > 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia > 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia Apologies, my post is a bit out of sync -- I work the digest, and I'm really slow...Looks like I got scooped by Sam (Habash) for some of the info on these gigs, but I didn't find that out until just now with the new digest, which is after writing this. Anyway... Awesome! What I love about the 85-87 era is how loose and playful NewOrder were live. A little sloppy, yet skillfully so. And the skill displayed is the important part, of course. I think they were at their peak for this type of playfulness in 1987. Ahhh...the era before tele-prompters and flawless sets. :) Bernard is always fucking up lyrics, and coming up with silly clever replacements. The guitar jamming between songs, and during songs where there was no studio guitar, all so wonderful! And Hooky's all over the place too. And enhanced beats by Mr. Morris, sometimes the live drumming adds so much emotional energy (like Ceremony and Age of Consent). I love it. It's also cool to see how some of the sounds translate and evolve. The energy in these classic live shows is intense - sometimes good, sometimes bad. Like Mike has noted before, it's funny when B. gets hot and pissed off, which seems to happen quite often. Actually here, he seems mostly in good spirits and totally into it. And the setlists are completely different from night to night. Here we have basically 3 nights in a row. One show is more Brotherhood-y, another more LowLife-y, etc. Awesome. 2-4-87 - "Angel Dust" is awesome and they really hit their stride with "The Village" and "Weido" - slammin! encore "Sister Ray" 2-6-87 - great version of "Let's Go" later with a monster version of "The Perfect Kiss" with lots of good guitar well-followed by "Sunrise" Too bad that just as TPK is about to EXPLODE tape cuts out !! ouch. encore "Do The Ostrich" - btw, you can Lou Reed's early version on the web somewhere. Like 2-4-87, another great high energy positive fun gig. 2-7-87 - This one just seems overall more edgy. Must have been the drugs that night. They also seem to have various sound "issues" throughout. B. shouts lyrics more than sings them. Especially during Bizarre Love Triangle. heh. Or Your Silent Face: "You caugt me at a bad time So why don't you...turn that drum machine down." Pre-encore they make the audience wait around for more than 10 minutes, but come back to do an amazing version of Sister Ray - really whacked intro, different random frantic lyrics, and searing guitar. '87 intro music: I saw Sam's 2-4-87 review and question about the intro music, and it's been asked sometime before, I think. The intro music to 2-4-87, also pre-encore to 2-6-87, and to 2-7-87 is "(Theme From) Rawhide" - and it sounds like its the straight-up version by The Blues Brothers. Come on guys, Sam, Mike and I have to be about the same age, didn't we all sit around watching SNL and The Blues Brothers (movie) endlessly when we were 10-13??? :) They've used this intro quite a bit - probably their '87 Tour music, because I also noticed it on a Japan '87 gig. Though I don't remember it in person at Irvine Meadows, CA (Sep'87). btw, could I get a copy of that gig from anyone?? ;) Anyway, with these '87 Oz gigs Mike tried to stir up some interest in older classic shows. I bet if you're interested and asked nicely he'd still make copies for you. And if he won't, I would, passing along all the gig recording info, too. Enjoy! - -Deron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:09:51 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs In a message dated 6/5/03 7:09:14 AM, pease@head-cfa.harvard.edu writes: << Mike advertised as: > 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy) > 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks) > 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name) Waterrat's page is slightly different: > 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia > 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia >> That's rigth - it is the Roxy. But Feb 7 '87 is the correct date for Roxy (Brisbane). Surfer's Paradise and Gold Coast seem to interchange on venue name. It's hard to explain or understand why. But most old-school NO tapers/traders have gone by Surfer's Paradise as the CITY name. From what the taper told me, it's basically a resort type of city. New Order played at Byron Bay on Feb 9. But this show was taped by a Brit (Dave Jones - same who taped 7-20-83 Fac 51, and 7-18-01 Liverpool, and a zillion inbetween) who was in Australia on visa. Although I have this on CDR, it isn't "itunes-ready" so it's going to take awhile before I put it out there - but the Byron Bay show is really phenomenal. It's possibly the best show of that tour, aside from the Perth gigs. I've always fantasized that New Order played their best when they were playing in the weirdest corners of the world (Dundee, Scotland is another example). You can't get much more obscure than Perth (Super-South-West of Australia) and Byron Bay... x Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:00:17 +1000 From: Colin_Loo@national.com.au Subject: (Fac33) Colin Loo/VIC/NAB/NAG_AP is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 04/06/2003 and will not return until 16/06/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. _________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this email communication may be confidential. You should only disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the information if you are authorised to do so. Any views expressed in this email communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of a member of the National Australia Bank Group of companies. The National Australia Bank Group of companies does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:18:38 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) later DVD Region 1 Has anyoen bought the DVD Region 1 for Later w/ Jools Holland? I'm tempted, but I didn't really like the "Crystal" performance (or song, for that matter) so don't know if I'd really need something like this. I've always been a 60mph man, myself. xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:25:56 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) later DVD Region 1 > -----Original Message----- > From: GaoBest@aol.com [mailto:GaoBest@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:19 PM > > Has anyoen bought the DVD Region 1 for Later w/ Jools > Holland? I'm tempted, Didn't know it was available as Region 1. Are there any content diffs between Region 1 and 2? > I've always been a 60mph man, myself. Best video ever. Doesn't pack the same punch as Crystal though. Also, the Lee Coombs remix of Crystal may very well be a top-5 all-time remix. T/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:15:20 EDT From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) hooky's gear hi. is there a list anywhere of all the musical gear that hooky uses? like specific bass guitars and specific effects pedals... thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:36:14 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) hooky's gear hey, issam. i found this info on the net: Peter Hook Basses : Rickenbacker copy, Yamaha RB 1200 Amps : (early) Marshal 50 Watt Bass Amp driving a 2x12 Vox cabinet. (later) Hiwatt 100 watt driving vox foundation 2x18 cabinet.. Effects : Chorus (of course) hope it helps regards alejo > hi. > is there a list anywhere of all the musical gear that hooky uses? > like specific bass guitars and specific effects pedals... > > thanks in advance. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:26:16 +0100 From: Subject: RE: (Fac33) hooky's gear That's pretty much very out of date...that's the Joy Division rig. Hooky' more up to date gear would be a Gibson EB-3 and a Shergold Modulator (6-string bass). He uses various Electro-Harmonix chorus units, all the rest is rack stuff - some whopping big compressor before it runs through the amp unit - - which I think is an Ampeg, the Hi-Watt / Vox thing has probably broken down now. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of almanso Sent: 06 June 2003 10:36 To: Cynflux@aol.com; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) hooky's gear hey, issam. i found this info on the net: Peter Hook Basses : Rickenbacker copy, Yamaha RB 1200 Amps : (early) Marshal 50 Watt Bass Amp driving a 2x12 Vox cabinet. (later) Hiwatt 100 watt driving vox foundation 2x18 cabinet.. Effects : Chorus (of course) hope it helps regards alejo > hi. > is there a list anywhere of all the musical gear that hooky uses? > like specific bass guitars and specific effects pedals... > > thanks in advance. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:15:09 -0700 From: "Albert Hernandez" Subject: RE: (Fac33) hooky's gear >- which I think is an Ampeg At the last show in L.A. (2001) he was definitely using two Ampeg SVT-CLs and two 2x18 cabs..along with the monstrous rack unit with compressor/chorus effects. He played the black Gibson EB-3. Albert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:46:29 -0700 From: Sam Habash Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 11:09:51AM -0400, GaoBest@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/5/03 7:09:14 AM, pease@head-cfa.harvard.edu writes: > > << Mike advertised as: > > 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy) > > 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks) > > 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name) > > Waterrat's page is slightly different: > > 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia > > 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia >> > > That's rigth - it is the Roxy. But Feb 7 '87 is the correct date for Roxy > (Brisbane). Surfer's Paradise and Gold Coast seem to interchange on venue > name. It's hard to explain or understand why. But most old-school NO > tapers/traders have gone by Surfer's Paradise as the CITY name. From what > the taper told me, it's basically a resort type of city. I agree, it's hard. Surfer's Paradise is definitely a city name. Check this site out: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~beatentrack/aug23_25.htm if you want to read about somebody visiting those places (not to see New Order, unfortunately) Let's look at a couple more gig compendiums, shall we? NoL (from http://www.neworderonline.com/concerts.asp?tour_id=5) has: Date City Venue 1987.02.06 Brisbane, Queensland, AU East League's Club 1987.02.07 Gold Coast, Queensland, AU The Generator WiM (from http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/gigography/1987.htm) has: Date City Venue 1987.02.06 Surfers Paradise, Australia Bombay Rock 1987.02.07 Brisbane, Australia The Roxy I thought that NoL borrowed heavily from the WaterRat listing, but it looks like there have been "corrections"/additions since, since they differ on club name. It could be that clubs go by different names for special events...but upon further consideration it may have be possible that New Order played *2* venues that night, since they seem to be distinct clubs (The Roxy changed its name to the Arena in the late-90s)... It seems like WiM's site is more in-line with your sources. I don't know what the deal is with "The Generator", is there a club by that name of note in Australia? 'Bombay Rocks' sounds more like an event name than a venue name, by the way. I think the East League's entry is NoL's listing is spurious, since it's not corroborated. It may be a trace of the 1985.05.20 entry or their DB burped. And I'm willing to believe that Surfer's Paradise | The Generator | Bombay Rocks | Queensland AU are all one and the same. Which leaves us with: Date City Venue 1987.02.04 Auckland, NZ The Galaxy 1987.02.06 Surfers Paradise, Australia The Generator (Bombay Rocks) 1987.02.07 Brisbane, Australia The Roxy 1987.02.09 Byron Bay, AU Byron Bay Arts Centre > New Order played at Byron Bay on Feb 9. But this show was taped by a Brit > (Dave Jones - same who taped 7-20-83 Fac 51, and 7-18-01 Liverpool, and a > zillion inbetween) who was in Australia on visa. Although I have this on > CDR, it isn't "itunes-ready" so it's going to take awhile before I put it > out there - but the Byron Bay show is really phenomenal. It's possibly > the best show of that tour, aside from the Perth gigs. I've always > fantasized that New Order played their best when they were playing in > the weirdest corners of the world (Dundee, Scotland is another example). > You can't get much more obscure than Perth (Super-South-West of Australia) > and Byron Bay... I already have a writeup for Byron Bay. Seemed to be even more sound problems there than at the Roxy, New Order at their shambolic best. http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs.html#NO-870209 - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:55:36 -0700 From: Sam Habash Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 10:07:31AM -0400, Deron Pease wrote: > I'm another fan who took Michael Siou up on his offer > of the Australia/NewZealand 1987 gigs: > > Mike advertised as: > > 2-4-87 auckland (galaxy) > > 2-6-87 surfer's paradise (bombay rocks) > > 2-7-87 brisbane (forgot club name) > > Waterrat's page is slightly different: > > 870206 - Roxy - Brisbane, Australia > > 870207 - The Generator - Gold Coast Australia > > Apologies, my post is a bit out of sync -- I work the digest, > and I'm really slow...Looks like I got scooped by Sam (Habash) > for some of the info on these gigs, but I didn't find that out > until just now with the new digest, which is after writing this. > Anyway... No matter, the more info out there the better. I sent some additional info about the transpositions/confusion regarding the dates. I've corrected my pile to correspond with Mike, and would hope that Waterrat and NoL adjust or justify theirs. Not like it's a big deal, but historical accuracy is like, cool. > What I love about the 85-87 era is how loose and playful NewOrder were live. > A little sloppy, yet skillfully so. And the skill displayed is the > important part, of course. I think they were at their peak for this type > of playfulness in 1987. Ahhh...the era before tele-prompters > and flawless sets. :) It was also due to the drugs and debauchery. :) Also, they probably didn't give a shit back then. They care a lot more now. Sometimes it's hard to let loose when you care. If they were Creed, they would have been sued 300+ times over. > Bernard is always fucking up lyrics, and coming up with silly clever > replacements. I wouldn't have a job (at least besides my day job) if it wasn't for this. > The guitar jamming between songs, and during songs where there was no > studio guitar, all so wonderful! And Hooky's all over the place too. > And enhanced beats by Mr. Morris, sometimes the live drumming > adds so much emotional energy (like Ceremony and Age of Consent). > I love it. And I'm sure Gillian had the synths on auto pilot and was chatting to somebody off to the side, like in '89 :-) > It's also cool to see how some of the sounds translate and evolve. > The energy in these classic live shows is intense - sometimes good, > sometimes bad. Like Mike has noted before, it's funny when B. gets > hot and pissed off, which seems to happen quite often. Mostly due to shit sound and daft punters, it seems. > Actually here, he seems mostly in good spirits and totally into it. 1987 was a highlight for them. I'm sure a _lot_ of people bought CD players just to listen to Substance. > I saw Sam's 2-4-87 review and question about the intro music, > and it's been asked sometime before, I think. Thanks for the information, I've updated my webpile accordingly. It's probably not the first time I've asked that, either! > Anyway, with these '87 Oz gigs Mike tried to stir up some interest > in older classic shows. I bet if you're interested and asked nicely > he'd still make copies for you. And if he won't, I would, passing along > all the gig recording info, too. This is an invaluable source of knowledge. There's equally good stuff in the WiM and NoL forums, but I would need a lot more time to ferret it out. - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:59:37 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs Well, NoL has it dead wrong. I know the correct venues, and I know the guys who taped EVERY fucking gig in Australia continent in 1985 and 1987. I know these people personally. One of them has been in my bedroom. These are professional tapers who attend and tape concert performances for the purposes of having an archive, so that 16 years later, thieves like us can discuss the merits of New Order's glory days. Let's at least respect their taping by using the correct dates and venues. If you're not sure of a date, then try not to mislead people who want to depend on a fourth-hand website rather than relying on history. Simply admit that you're uncertain. Next thing you know, people will think that New Order played in Wellington in 1987 as well. xox Mike In a message dated 6/6/03 7:46:46 AM, the@new-order.net writes: << Let's look at a couple more gig compendiums, shall we? NoL (from http://www.neworderonline.com/concerts.asp?tour_id=5) has: Date City Venue 1987.02.06 Brisbane, Queensland, AU East League's Club 1987.02.07 Gold Coast, Queensland, AU The Generator >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:16:00 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs In a message dated 6/6/03 7:56:46 AM, the@new-order.net writes: << Also, they probably didn't give a shit back then. They care a lot more now. Sometimes it's hard to let loose when you care. If they were Creed, they would have been sued 300+ times over. >> A friend of mine read or heard a New Order interview from a couple of years back. I think one question addressed involved their setlists, and the band's response was that they "paid" their dues way back when by changing their setlists around. Now, they didn't feel the need to do that, because it had already been done. So I think this is a good complementary reason (to Sam's reasons) to also explain the current "boring" setlist status. As I said to Deron privately, I'm just glad that New order are still kicking ass. I don't think I'll ever travel or make attempts to see them again, but of course I have fab memories of having done so, and I hope that any other New Order fan who hasn't seen them live gets the chance to do so, since the band will surely tour sometime again within the next 3 years :-) If anything, seeing the band now should give inspiration of listening to their older live gigs for historical appreciation. xox Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:49:54 +0100 From: "Duddridge Lee" Subject: RE: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs In a message dated 06 June 2003 16:16 Mike (GaoBest) wrote: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "If anything, seeing the band now should give inspiration of listening = to=20 their older live gigs for historical appreciation." - --------------------------- Too right fella !! Thanks for the CDRs - the gigs were all absolute class. Cheers Lee =0A= =0A= Confidentiality and Disclaimer: This email and its attachments are = intended for the addressee only and may be confidential or the subject = of legal privilege. If this email and its attachments have come to you = in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy them, = distribute them or show them to anyone. Please contact the sender to = notify us of the error. This email and any attached files have been = scanned for the presence of computer viruses. However, you are advised = that you open any attachments at your own risk. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:55:39 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F8bert=E3o_Primitive_Notion?= Subject: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! Hi! "Everyone has a CD that changed their life". http://www.mtv.com/onair/mtv2/22_greatest/cds/index.jhtml Let's vote for New Order - Substance! Although the album is not on the list, there is an option to add one more album... I think we all should vote for the same album - Substance, which is an album that can be recognized by other people (not fans). As usuallly, 80% of the albums listed there should have no place in this category. But well: it's just MTV, isn't it? Robertão ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:19:03 -0400 From: "michael roehr" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! > "Everyone has a CD that changed their life". > http://www.mtv.com/onair/mtv2/22_greatest/cds/index.jhtml > Let's vote for New Order - Substance! Although the album is not on the list, > there is an option to add one more album... I think we all should vote for > the same album - Substance, which is an album that can be recognized by > other people (not fans). bleh i wouldn't consider a greatest hits collection acceptable for this list anyway. Technique or maybe Low Life would suffice. mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:42:04 -0700 From: Sam Habash Subject: (Fac33) Honor Student Apropos of little in particular, but I spotted this carry-on bag on a co-worker's desk...and decided to take a quick pic. Hope you find it amusing. http://www.new-order.net/no/pix/Honor_Student.jpg - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:19:55 EDT From: Alien153@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Honor Student lol-must be some pretty messed up dancing. i'm listening to my heart and soul boxset now actually. ::pictures Ian's fucked up "dancing":: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:52:55 EDT From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Honor Student << lol-must be some pretty messed up dancing. i'm listening to my heart and soul boxset now actually. ::pictures Ian's fucked up "dancing":: >> i read somewhere that someone called it "the fly dance". has anyone else heard something similar to this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:58:42 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F8bert=E3o_Primitive_Notion?= Subject: Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! The Eric Clapton's Unplugged is on the list, so I thought Substance would be accetable. But yes, you may be right (I hope you're not, so I didn't loose my vote...). Robertão - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael roehr" To: "Ceremony Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! > > "Everyone has a CD that changed their life". > > http://www.mtv.com/onair/mtv2/22_greatest/cds/index.jhtml > > Let's vote for New Order - Substance! Although the album is not on the > list, > > there is an option to add one more album... I think we all should vote for > > the same album - Substance, which is an album that can be recognized by > > other people (not fans). > > bleh i wouldn't consider a greatest hits collection acceptable for this list > anyway. Technique or maybe Low Life would suffice. > > mike > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 13:58:58 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F8bert=E3o_Primitive_Notion?= Subject: Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! The Eric Clapton's Unplugged is on the list, so I thought Substance would be accetable. But yes, you may be right (I hope you're not, so I didn't loose my vote...). Robertão - ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael roehr" To: "Ceremony Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! > > "Everyone has a CD that changed their life". > > http://www.mtv.com/onair/mtv2/22_greatest/cds/index.jhtml > > Let's vote for New Order - Substance! Although the album is not on the > list, > > there is an option to add one more album... I think we all should vote for > > the same album - Substance, which is an album that can be recognized by > > other people (not fans). > > bleh i wouldn't consider a greatest hits collection acceptable for this list > anyway. Technique or maybe Low Life would suffice. > > mike > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:06:25 +0100 From: "Duddridge Lee" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! Just arrived at my desk on a sunny Monday morning in Manchester, so this = seemed like a fairly interesting thing to do. I logged onto the site & took a look at the list - jeez, there really is = some Garbage on there (pun intended.) Anyways up, each II their own (sic) & my vote went to Substance as = instructed. (BTW: Substance was my 1st Neworder album, so it really did change my = life.) Cheers Lee - -----Original Message----- From: R=F8bert=E3o Primitive Notion [mailto:neworder@HotPOP.com] Sent: 07 June 2003 20:56 To: Ceremony Mailing List Subject: (Fac33) Vote for "New Order - Substance" on MTV's 22 Greatest CDs! Hi! "Everyone has a CD that changed their life". http://www.mtv.com/onair/mtv2/22_greatest/cds/index.jhtml Let's vote for New Order - Substance! Although the album is not on the = list, there is an option to add one more album... I think we all should vote = for the same album - Substance, which is an album that can be recognized by other people (not fans). As usuallly, 80% of the albums listed there should have no place in this category. But well: it's just MTV, isn't it? Robert=E3o =0A= =0A= Confidentiality and Disclaimer: This email and its attachments are = intended for the addressee only and may be confidential or the subject = of legal privilege. 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Viewed on my Powerbook G3/500 (top-notch laptop by the way) I don't know if the Finsbury performance musically was that great, but the band sure seemed to be having fun, rain and all. Some hopefully noteworthy observations: (1) The version of True Faith is superb. But can the Order please stop playing Bizarre Love Triangle? For at least one gig? (2) The music for the 'earlier in the day' pre-gig bit is an instrumental version of Vicious Streak. Would anybody have a full mix of this? I'm surprised nobody's extracted it from the DVD. This is one of my favorites from Get Ready, and I'm glad that an alternate mix exists for this song. I'm surprised we didn't see at least one more single from that album, did it really tank or something? (3) The 98 performances (the tidbits from 'Ceremony', 'Confusion', 'Heart And Soul' and 'In a Lonely Place') were outstanding, really outstanding. Why didn't somebody release Apollo or Ally Pally as a video instead of Finsbury? And I just realized that Ally Pally was Gillian's last gig. I'm surprised that I haven't seen much commentary regarding Phil Cunningham on this list. I'm sure there's plenty on the webpile message boards, but these are really tedious to read. (4) Was Finsbury the first NO gig to feature Dawn Zee throughout? I think she was more musically prevalant than Billy C. Organ was during his stint on tour. (5) I did remember reading about the identities of the people talking about their New Order experiences, but I seem to have misplaced my scorecard. If somebody would care to find it again for me, that would be great. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006LSFK/ref=/202-7340179-4015011 has some other interesting observations, though in Barney's defense he seemed to be using the autocue to help him with Ian's lyrics more than his own. One of the reviews seems to imply that World In Motion was present on the VHS/PAL version. Is this true? That's it for now, I'm sure I have more observations, but would like to hear some feedback first. Of course, there's an gigography detail entry (http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs.html#NO-020609) decided to take a bit of a break from the '87 tour. - --Sam - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:30:44 +0000 From: "Bernard Alexander" Subject: Re: (Fac33) 511 revisted well i found the auto-cue that Barney uses in Close Range was quite amusing. perhaps me watching it a year after on the day it happened wasn't just me... was worried with myself then, even managed to spot myself during tranmission, which was nice. Sound quality was so bad on my TV, but through windows media player, it really braught it to life. >From: Sam Habash >To: ceremony@monkey.org >Subject: (Fac33) 511 revisted >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:16:49 -0700 > >I went and looked back at some of the Ceremony posts discussing 511 >(the DVD)...and all I really saw were people complaining about the >sound quality. Which on my copy (bought earlier this year but not >viewed until just now) seems fine. Viewed on my Powerbook G3/500 >(top-notch laptop by the way) > >I don't know if the Finsbury performance musically was that great, but >the band sure seemed to be having fun, rain and all. Some hopefully >noteworthy observations: > >(1) The version of True Faith is superb. But can the Order please >stop playing Bizarre Love Triangle? For at least one gig? > >(2) The music for the 'earlier in the day' pre-gig bit is an instrumental >version of Vicious Streak. Would anybody have a full mix of this? >I'm surprised nobody's extracted it from the DVD. This is one of >my favorites from Get Ready, and I'm glad that an alternate mix >exists for this song. I'm surprised we didn't see at least one >more single from that album, did it really tank or something? > >(3) The 98 performances (the tidbits from 'Ceremony', 'Confusion', >'Heart And Soul' and 'In a Lonely Place') were outstanding, really >outstanding. Why didn't somebody release Apollo or Ally Pally as >a video instead of Finsbury? And I just realized that Ally Pally >was Gillian's last gig. I'm surprised that I haven't seen much >commentary regarding Phil Cunningham on this list. I'm sure there's >plenty on the webpile message boards, but these are really tedious >to read. > >(4) Was Finsbury the first NO gig to feature Dawn Zee throughout? >I think she was more musically prevalant than Billy C. Organ was >during his stint on tour. > >(5) I did remember reading about the identities of the people >talking about their New Order experiences, but I seem to have >misplaced my scorecard. If somebody would care to find it again >for me, that would be great. > >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006LSFK/ref=/202-7340179-4015011 >has some other interesting observations, though in Barney's defense >he seemed to be using the autocue to help him with Ian's lyrics more >than his own. One of the reviews seems to imply that World In Motion >was present on the VHS/PAL version. Is this true? > >That's it for now, I'm sure I have more observations, but would like >to hear some feedback first. Of course, there's an gigography >detail entry (http://www.new-order.net/no/gigs/nogigs.html#NO-020609) >decided to take a bit of a break from the '87 tour. > >--Sam > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of > failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >+ Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ >+ To talk to a person, send mail to . _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #32 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .