From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #34 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Wednesday, June 18 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 034 (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] (Fac33) OT : Credit Card Payments Re: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:47:29 -0700 From: Sam Habash Subject: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] no comment... :-) - ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stein ----- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0500 From: Michael Stein To: "'faclist@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles X-eGroups-Return: sentto-3597811-2535-1055822060-the=new-order.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: faclist@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Profile: fac_183 List-Unsubscribe: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=4.9 tests=BAYES_20,FROM_EGROUPS,GROUPS_YAHOO_1 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Pitchfork Media lists New Order as their Worst Post-Breakup Debacle: http://pitchforkmedia.com/watw/03-06/afterglow/index4.shtml An interesting read... New Order haven't really existed since 1989. Both Republic and Get Ready were reunion records, quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup following strained supporting tours. Though they were both decent records and nicely lined the pockets of all concerned, the members of New Order have been trying in vain to commit career suicide since 1990. Unlike their peers in The Cure, no matter what they do, their fans always seem to forgive them. Swaggering teddy bear Peter Hook took the first shot in 1990 with Revenge, releasing the grotesquely objectifying One True Passion (aside from the softcore cover, it features macho lines like, "The only time I'm happy is when I'm telling you lies"). A catastrophically dated techno-pop record, it weaved from Technique-tinged Balearic blips to Depeche Mode and Cure rip-offs: the chorus of "Bleachman" even begins, "I'm alive/ I'm dead." The four-song 1992 EP Gun World Porn featured the decent club track "State of Shock", but it was rendered unbearable over the course of three different, never-ending mixes. While not as topically offensive, The Other Two-- drummer Steve Morris and keyboard/guitar player Gillian Gilbert-- were even less engaging. The tepid house pop of 1992's The Other Two & You played as watered-down outtakes from Technique, draped in horrific lyrics like, "Love is the greatest thing/ And there's nothing else to live for." The husband and wife duo's inexplicable 1999 return Superhighways was more sonically energetic than the straight sequencing of their debut, but the grade school lyrics still flowed unabated, never rising above edgy breakup music for the lollipop set. Just after Technique, singer Bernard Sumner joined up with The Smiths' Johnny Marr, lately of Matt Johnson's The The, to record a one-off dance single with the Pet Shop Boys. This potentially chart-topping supergroup went their separate ways immediately thereafter, though "Getting Away With It" was a huge UK hit (#11), with strings by Anne Dudley of The Art of Noise. After a year off, Marr and Sumner tried again, releasing the excellent "Get the Message" in 1991, soon after compiling their sporadic efforts for a commendable, self-titled Warner Brothers LP (which does include some embarrassing flubs, like the last track "Feel Every Beat", over which Sumner raps). After a keep-it-going single in '92 (the decent "Disappointed", which never appeared on album), the group parted ways. Not content to leave well enough alone, Sumner and Marr reunited after New Order's breakup following the heated Republic tour. This, in short, was a huge mistake. With unrecognizable contributions from Kraftwerk's Karl Bartos, Electronic's 1996 LP Raise the Pressure was a glittering slab of dance-pop wallpaper, bereft of even a single memorable hook-- and without them, Bernard Sumner's infamously sophomoric lyrics drop like bricks. Three years later, they tried again with the guitar-heavy breakbeats of Twisted Tenderness, but the record played like self-indulgent experiments in songwriting, pulling moods from other bands, like The The ("Vivid") and Curve ("Hive"). But without question, Peter Hook's most recent band Monaco is the black obsidian jewel in the wretched crown of New Order's myriad extracurricular failures. Hearing Hook's tape-op collaborator David Potts strain to sound like Sumner while missing the high notes on "Shine" ("Just as I thought/ I've found someone that needs me") is a sickly sweet moment of car-crash viewing recommended for anyone in need of a good laugh at pop music's ultimate absurdity. You can hear Potts' Oasis fantasies taking over midway through 1997's Music for Pleasure, on outrageous Gallagher knocks "Buzz Gum" and "Blue" ("When I'm down and can't get up/ And I've just run out of luck/ And there's nothing else to say"). I haven't cried so hard since That Petrol Emotion's "Cellophane"! By 2000, Potts had all but perfected his Sumner impression, making Monaco a frightening doppelganger of New Order's Get Ready (2001). The songs are still duds-- including a laughably unaware trip-pop rehash of Bowie's "Quicksand" ("A Life Apart")-- but standouts like "I've Got a Feeling" and "Kashmere" are even more menacing. Indistinguishable from New Order, they make this duplicitous band a terrifyingly cynical proposition from a star player in a group that's had no qualms about milking its trademark sound over the last ten years. That their other projects haven't affected New Order's standing is a testament to the powers of selective promotion, sleek packaging, and most of all, calculated anonymity. Here's to New Order, whatever they are. - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/VpLolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: faclist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:59:21 +0100 From: "Duddridge Lee" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] Oh dear, sounds like somebody was picked on at school, doesn't it. Poor twisted soul, I pity him. Cheers L - -----Original Message----- From: Sam Habash [mailto:the@new-order.net] Sent: 17 June 2003 07:47 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] no comment... :-) - ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stein = ----- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0500 From: Michael Stein To: "'faclist@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles X-eGroups-Return: = sentto-3597811-2535-1055822060-the=3Dnew-order.net@returns.groups.yahoo.c= om X-Apparently-To: faclist@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Profile: fac_183 List-Unsubscribe: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3D-3.4 required=3D4.9 tests=3DBAYES_20,FROM_EGROUPS,GROUPS_YAHOO_1 version=3D2.55 X-Spam-Level:=20 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Pitchfork Media lists New Order as their Worst Post-Breakup Debacle: http://pitchforkmedia.com/watw/03-06/afterglow/index4.shtml An interesting read... New Order haven't really existed since 1989. Both Republic and Get Ready were reunion records, quick one-offs before the band's inevitable = breakup following strained supporting tours. Though they were both decent = records and nicely lined the pockets of all concerned, the members of New Order = have been trying in vain to commit career suicide since 1990. Unlike their = peers in The Cure, no matter what they do, their fans always seem to forgive = them. Swaggering teddy bear Peter Hook took the first shot in 1990 with = Revenge, releasing the grotesquely objectifying One True Passion (aside from the softcore cover, it features macho lines like, "The only time I'm happy = is when I'm telling you lies"). A catastrophically dated techno-pop record, = it weaved from Technique-tinged Balearic blips to Depeche Mode and Cure rip-offs: the chorus of "Bleachman" even begins, "I'm alive/ I'm dead." = The four-song 1992 EP Gun World Porn featured the decent club track "State = of Shock", but it was rendered unbearable over the course of three = different, never-ending mixes.=20 While not as topically offensive, The Other Two-- drummer Steve Morris = and keyboard/guitar player Gillian Gilbert-- were even less engaging. The = tepid house pop of 1992's The Other Two & You played as watered-down outtakes = from Technique, draped in horrific lyrics like, "Love is the greatest thing/ = And there's nothing else to live for." The husband and wife duo's = inexplicable 1999 return Superhighways was more sonically energetic than the straight sequencing of their debut, but the grade school lyrics still flowed unabated, never rising above edgy breakup music for the lollipop set.=20 Just after Technique, singer Bernard Sumner joined up with The Smiths' Johnny Marr, lately of Matt Johnson's The The, to record a one-off dance single with the Pet Shop Boys. This potentially chart-topping supergroup went their separate ways immediately thereafter, though "Getting Away = With It" was a huge UK hit (#11), with strings by Anne Dudley of The Art of Noise. After a year off, Marr and Sumner tried again, releasing the excellent "Get the Message" in 1991, soon after compiling their sporadic efforts for a commendable, self-titled Warner Brothers LP (which does include some embarrassing flubs, like the last track "Feel Every Beat", = over which Sumner raps). After a keep-it-going single in '92 (the decent "Disappointed", which never appeared on album), the group parted ways.=20 Not content to leave well enough alone, Sumner and Marr reunited after = New Order's breakup following the heated Republic tour. This, in short, was = a huge mistake. With unrecognizable contributions from Kraftwerk's Karl Bartos, Electronic's 1996 LP Raise the Pressure was a glittering slab of dance-pop wallpaper, bereft of even a single memorable hook-- and = without them, Bernard Sumner's infamously sophomoric lyrics drop like bricks. = Three years later, they tried again with the guitar-heavy breakbeats of = Twisted Tenderness, but the record played like self-indulgent experiments in songwriting, pulling moods from other bands, like The The ("Vivid") and Curve ("Hive").=20 But without question, Peter Hook's most recent band Monaco is the black obsidian jewel in the wretched crown of New Order's myriad = extracurricular failures. Hearing Hook's tape-op collaborator David Potts strain to = sound like Sumner while missing the high notes on "Shine" ("Just as I thought/ I've found someone that needs me") is a sickly sweet moment of car-crash viewing recommended for anyone in need of a good laugh at pop music's ultimate absurdity. You can hear Potts' Oasis fantasies taking over = midway through 1997's Music for Pleasure, on outrageous Gallagher knocks "Buzz = Gum" and "Blue" ("When I'm down and can't get up/ And I've just run out of = luck/ And there's nothing else to say"). I haven't cried so hard since That = Petrol Emotion's "Cellophane"!=20 By 2000, Potts had all but perfected his Sumner impression, making = Monaco a frightening doppelganger of New Order's Get Ready (2001). The songs are still duds-- including a laughably unaware trip-pop rehash of Bowie's "Quicksand" ("A Life Apart")-- but standouts like "I've Got a Feeling" = and "Kashmere" are even more menacing. Indistinguishable from New Order, = they make this duplicitous band a terrifyingly cynical proposition from a = star player in a group that's had no qualms about milking its trademark sound over the last ten years. That their other projects haven't affected New Order's standing is a testament to the powers of selective promotion, = sleek packaging, and most of all, calculated anonymity. Here's to New Order, whatever they are. - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important = Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/VpLolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: faclist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20 Your use of Yahoo! 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However, you are advised = that you open any attachments at your own risk. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:58:00 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] It's quite funny actually. "Quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup" is shite because Get Ready came three years *after* a re-union that has so far lasted FIVE YEARS, and has no signs of stopping. They should really sort their research out. On a personal note I adore Raise The Pressure. - -----Original Message----- From: Sam Habash [mailto:the@new-order.net] Sent: 17 June 2003 07:47 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] no comment... :-) - ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stein - ----- X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0500 From: Michael Stein To: "'faclist@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles X-eGroups-Return: sentto-3597811-2535-1055822060-the=new-order.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: faclist@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Profile: fac_183 List-Unsubscribe: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=4.9 tests=BAYES_20,FROM_EGROUPS,GROUPS_YAHOO_1 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Pitchfork Media lists New Order as their Worst Post-Breakup Debacle: http://pitchforkmedia.com/watw/03-06/afterglow/index4.shtml An interesting read... New Order haven't really existed since 1989. Both Republic and Get Ready were reunion records, quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup following strained supporting tours. Though they were both decent records and nicely lined the pockets of all concerned, the members of New Order have been trying in vain to commit career suicide since 1990. Unlike their peers in The Cure, no matter what they do, their fans always seem to forgive them. Swaggering teddy bear Peter Hook took the first shot in 1990 with Revenge, releasing the grotesquely objectifying One True Passion (aside from the softcore cover, it features macho lines like, "The only time I'm happy is when I'm telling you lies"). A catastrophically dated techno-pop record, it weaved from Technique-tinged Balearic blips to Depeche Mode and Cure rip-offs: the chorus of "Bleachman" even begins, "I'm alive/ I'm dead." The four-song 1992 EP Gun World Porn featured the decent club track "State of Shock", but it was rendered unbearable over the course of three different, never-ending mixes. While not as topically offensive, The Other Two-- drummer Steve Morris and keyboard/guitar player Gillian Gilbert-- were even less engaging. The tepid house pop of 1992's The Other Two & You played as watered-down outtakes from Technique, draped in horrific lyrics like, "Love is the greatest thing/ And there's nothing else to live for." The husband and wife duo's inexplicable 1999 return Superhighways was more sonically energetic than the straight sequencing of their debut, but the grade school lyrics still flowed unabated, never rising above edgy breakup music for the lollipop set. Just after Technique, singer Bernard Sumner joined up with The Smiths' Johnny Marr, lately of Matt Johnson's The The, to record a one-off dance single with the Pet Shop Boys. This potentially chart-topping supergroup went their separate ways immediately thereafter, though "Getting Away With It" was a huge UK hit (#11), with strings by Anne Dudley of The Art of Noise. After a year off, Marr and Sumner tried again, releasing the excellent "Get the Message" in 1991, soon after compiling their sporadic efforts for a commendable, self-titled Warner Brothers LP (which does include some embarrassing flubs, like the last track "Feel Every Beat", over which Sumner raps). After a keep-it-going single in '92 (the decent "Disappointed", which never appeared on album), the group parted ways. Not content to leave well enough alone, Sumner and Marr reunited after New Order's breakup following the heated Republic tour. This, in short, was a huge mistake. With unrecognizable contributions from Kraftwerk's Karl Bartos, Electronic's 1996 LP Raise the Pressure was a glittering slab of dance-pop wallpaper, bereft of even a single memorable hook-- and without them, Bernard Sumner's infamously sophomoric lyrics drop like bricks. Three years later, they tried again with the guitar-heavy breakbeats of Twisted Tenderness, but the record played like self-indulgent experiments in songwriting, pulling moods from other bands, like The The ("Vivid") and Curve ("Hive"). But without question, Peter Hook's most recent band Monaco is the black obsidian jewel in the wretched crown of New Order's myriad extracurricular failures. Hearing Hook's tape-op collaborator David Potts strain to sound like Sumner while missing the high notes on "Shine" ("Just as I thought/ I've found someone that needs me") is a sickly sweet moment of car-crash viewing recommended for anyone in need of a good laugh at pop music's ultimate absurdity. You can hear Potts' Oasis fantasies taking over midway through 1997's Music for Pleasure, on outrageous Gallagher knocks "Buzz Gum" and "Blue" ("When I'm down and can't get up/ And I've just run out of luck/ And there's nothing else to say"). I haven't cried so hard since That Petrol Emotion's "Cellophane"! By 2000, Potts had all but perfected his Sumner impression, making Monaco a frightening doppelganger of New Order's Get Ready (2001). The songs are still duds-- including a laughably unaware trip-pop rehash of Bowie's "Quicksand" ("A Life Apart")-- but standouts like "I've Got a Feeling" and "Kashmere" are even more menacing. Indistinguishable from New Order, they make this duplicitous band a terrifyingly cynical proposition from a star player in a group that's had no qualms about milking its trademark sound over the last ten years. That their other projects haven't affected New Order's standing is a testament to the powers of selective promotion, sleek packaging, and most of all, calculated anonymity. Here's to New Order, whatever they are. - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/VpLolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: faclist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Dignam Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] yeah, but, it's pretty acurate isn't it... (f**k off - I'm only joking) Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:19:07 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: (Fac33) OT : Credit Card Payments Anyone know a way I can accept credit card payments over the web on a commission-only basis? In other words, sign up with a service who take a commission per transaction but no start up fee? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:54:50 +0100 From: "John Barnes" Subject: Re: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] Who the hell wrote that drivel?? Break-up, wot break-up? are they insane???# Cheers John B - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian McGee To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] > > It's quite funny actually. > > "Quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup" is shite because Get > Ready came three years *after* a re-union that has so far lasted FIVE YEARS, > and has no signs of stopping. > > They should really sort their research out. > > On a personal note I adore Raise The Pressure. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Habash [mailto:the@new-order.net] > Sent: 17 June 2003 07:47 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst > post-breakup debacles] > > > no comment... :-) > > ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stein > ----- > > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0500 > From: Michael Stein > To: "'faclist@yahoogroups.com'" > Subject: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles > X-eGroups-Return: > sentto-3597811-2535-1055822060-the=new-order.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com > X-Apparently-To: faclist@yahoogroups.com > X-Yahoo-Profile: fac_183 > List-Unsubscribe: > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=4.9 > tests=BAYES_20,FROM_EGROUPS,GROUPS_YAHOO_1 > version=2.55 > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Pitchfork Media lists New Order as their Worst Post-Breakup Debacle: > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/watw/03-06/afterglow/index4.shtml > > An interesting read... > > New Order haven't really existed since 1989. Both Republic and Get Ready > were reunion records, quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup > following strained supporting tours. Though they were both decent records > and nicely lined the pockets of all concerned, the members of New Order have > been trying in vain to commit career suicide since 1990. Unlike their peers > in The Cure, no matter what they do, their fans always seem to forgive them. > > Swaggering teddy bear Peter Hook took the first shot in 1990 with Revenge, > releasing the grotesquely objectifying One True Passion (aside from the > softcore cover, it features macho lines like, "The only time I'm happy is > when I'm telling you lies"). A catastrophically dated techno-pop record, it > weaved from Technique-tinged Balearic blips to Depeche Mode and Cure > rip-offs: the chorus of "Bleachman" even begins, "I'm alive/ I'm dead." The > four-song 1992 EP Gun World Porn featured the decent club track "State of > Shock", but it was rendered unbearable over the course of three different, > never-ending mixes. > While not as topically offensive, The Other Two-- drummer Steve Morris and > keyboard/guitar player Gillian Gilbert-- were even less engaging. The tepid > house pop of 1992's The Other Two & You played as watered-down outtakes from > Technique, draped in horrific lyrics like, "Love is the greatest thing/ And > there's nothing else to live for." The husband and wife duo's inexplicable > 1999 return Superhighways was more sonically energetic than the straight > sequencing of their debut, but the grade school lyrics still flowed > unabated, never rising above edgy breakup music for the lollipop set. > Just after Technique, singer Bernard Sumner joined up with The Smiths' > Johnny Marr, lately of Matt Johnson's The The, to record a one-off dance > single with the Pet Shop Boys. This potentially chart-topping supergroup > went their separate ways immediately thereafter, though "Getting Away With > It" was a huge UK hit (#11), with strings by Anne Dudley of The Art of > Noise. After a year off, Marr and Sumner tried again, releasing the > excellent "Get the Message" in 1991, soon after compiling their sporadic > efforts for a commendable, self-titled Warner Brothers LP (which does > include some embarrassing flubs, like the last track "Feel Every Beat", over > which Sumner raps). After a keep-it-going single in '92 (the decent > "Disappointed", which never appeared on album), the group parted ways. > Not content to leave well enough alone, Sumner and Marr reunited after New > Order's breakup following the heated Republic tour. This, in short, was a > huge mistake. With unrecognizable contributions from Kraftwerk's Karl > Bartos, Electronic's 1996 LP Raise the Pressure was a glittering slab of > dance-pop wallpaper, bereft of even a single memorable hook-- and without > them, Bernard Sumner's infamously sophomoric lyrics drop like bricks. Three > years later, they tried again with the guitar-heavy breakbeats of Twisted > Tenderness, but the record played like self-indulgent experiments in > songwriting, pulling moods from other bands, like The The ("Vivid") and > Curve ("Hive"). > But without question, Peter Hook's most recent band Monaco is the black > obsidian jewel in the wretched crown of New Order's myriad extracurricular > failures. Hearing Hook's tape-op collaborator David Potts strain to sound > like Sumner while missing the high notes on "Shine" ("Just as I thought/ > I've found someone that needs me") is a sickly sweet moment of car-crash > viewing recommended for anyone in need of a good laugh at pop music's > ultimate absurdity. You can hear Potts' Oasis fantasies taking over midway > through 1997's Music for Pleasure, on outrageous Gallagher knocks "Buzz Gum" > and "Blue" ("When I'm down and can't get up/ And I've just run out of luck/ > And there's nothing else to say"). I haven't cried so hard since That Petrol > Emotion's "Cellophane"! > By 2000, Potts had all but perfected his Sumner impression, making Monaco a > frightening doppelganger of New Order's Get Ready (2001). The songs are > still duds-- including a laughably unaware trip-pop rehash of Bowie's > "Quicksand" ("A Life Apart")-- but standouts like "I've Got a Feeling" and > "Kashmere" are even more menacing. Indistinguishable from New Order, they > make this duplicitous band a terrifyingly cynical proposition from a star > player in a group that's had no qualms about milking its trademark sound > over the last ten years. That their other projects haven't affected New > Order's standing is a testament to the powers of selective promotion, sleek > packaging, and most of all, calculated anonymity. Here's to New Order, > whatever they are. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/VpLolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > faclist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Of course, there are limits to diversity, earth is a single point of > failure for the foreseeable future." -- Sean Donelan > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:06:00 +0100 From: "John Barnes" Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs I saw them 'Live' for the 1st time at Finsbury park Last year & was blasted away, it was fab...! would some one be willing to put some older concerts on to CD-R or MD for me if I were to supply them. Unfortunately I don't have any thing up for trade, as I would have taken that route..! Cheers John B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) more thoughts on '87 gigs > > In a message dated 6/6/03 7:56:46 AM, the@new-order.net writes: > > << Also, they probably didn't give a shit back then. They care a lot more > now. Sometimes it's hard to let loose when you care. If they were Creed, > they would have been sued 300+ times over. >> > > A friend of mine read or heard a New Order interview from a couple of years > back. I think one question addressed involved their setlists, and the band's > response was that they "paid" their dues way back when by changing their > setlists around. Now, they didn't feel the need to do that, because it had already > been done. So I think this is a good complementary reason (to Sam's reasons) > to also explain the current "boring" setlist status. > > As I said to Deron privately, I'm just glad that New order are still kicking > ass. I don't think I'll ever travel or make attempts to see them again, but > of course I have fab memories of having done so, and I hope that any other New > Order fan who hasn't seen them live gets the chance to do so, since the band > will surely tour sometime again within the next 3 years :-) > > If anything, seeing the band now should give inspiration of listening to > their older live gigs for historical appreciation. > > xox > Mike > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:53:56 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-b reakup debacles] And how many of today's bands actually LAST for five years?????????? - -----Original Message----- From: John Barnes [mailto:jkbarnes@bigfoot.com] Sent: 18 June 2003 11:55 To: Brian McGee; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] Who the hell wrote that drivel?? Break-up, wot break-up? are they insane???# Cheers John B - ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian McGee To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: RE: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles] > > It's quite funny actually. > > "Quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup" is shite because Get > Ready came three years *after* a re-union that has so far lasted FIVE YEARS, > and has no signs of stopping. > > They should really sort their research out. > > On a personal note I adore Raise The Pressure. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Habash [mailto:the@new-order.net] > Sent: 17 June 2003 07:47 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) [Michael.Stein@allscripts.com: [faclist] worst > post-breakup debacles] > > > no comment... :-) > > ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stein > ----- > > X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0500 > From: Michael Stein > To: "'faclist@yahoogroups.com'" > Subject: [faclist] worst post-breakup debacles > X-eGroups-Return: > sentto-3597811-2535-1055822060-the=new-order.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com > X-Apparently-To: faclist@yahoogroups.com > X-Yahoo-Profile: fac_183 > List-Unsubscribe: > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=4.9 > tests=BAYES_20,FROM_EGROUPS,GROUPS_YAHOO_1 > version=2.55 > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Pitchfork Media lists New Order as their Worst Post-Breakup Debacle: > > http://pitchforkmedia.com/watw/03-06/afterglow/index4.shtml > > An interesting read... > > New Order haven't really existed since 1989. Both Republic and Get Ready > were reunion records, quick one-offs before the band's inevitable breakup > following strained supporting tours. Though they were both decent records > and nicely lined the pockets of all concerned, the members of New Order have > been trying in vain to commit career suicide since 1990. Unlike their peers > in The Cure, no matter what they do, their fans always seem to forgive them. > > Swaggering teddy bear Peter Hook took the first shot in 1990 with Revenge, > releasing the grotesquely objectifying One True Passion (aside from the > softcore cover, it features macho lines like, "The only time I'm happy is > when I'm telling you lies"). A catastrophically dated techno-pop record, it > weaved from Technique-tinged Balearic blips to Depeche Mode and Cure > rip-offs: the chorus of "Bleachman" even begins, "I'm alive/ I'm dead." The > four-song 1992 EP Gun World Porn featured the decent club track "State of > Shock", but it was rendered unbearable over the course of three different, > never-ending mixes. > While not as topically offensive, The Other Two-- drummer Steve Morris and > keyboard/guitar player Gillian Gilbert-- were even less engaging. The tepid > house pop of 1992's The Other Two & You played as watered-down outtakes from > Technique, draped in horrific lyrics like, "Love is the greatest thing/ And > there's nothing else to live for." The husband and wife duo's inexplicable > 1999 return Superhighways was more sonically energetic than the straight > sequencing of their debut, but the grade school lyrics still flowed > unabated, never rising above edgy breakup music for the lollipop set. > Just after Technique, singer Bernard Sumner joined up with The Smiths' > Johnny Marr, lately of Matt Johnson's The The, to record a one-off dance > single with the Pet Shop Boys. This potentially chart-topping supergroup > went their separate ways immediately thereafter, though "Getting Away With > It" was a huge UK hit (#11), with strings by Anne Dudley of The Art of > Noise. After a year off, Marr and Sumner tried again, releasing the > excellent "Get the Message" in 1991, soon after compiling their sporadic > efforts for a commendable, self-titled Warner Brothers LP (which does > include some embarrassing flubs, like the last track "Feel Every Beat", over > which Sumner raps). After a keep-it-going single in '92 (the decent > "Disappointed", which never appeared on album), the group parted ways. > Not content to leave well enough alone, Sumner and Marr reunited after New > Order's breakup following the heated Republic tour. This, in short, was a > huge mistake. With unrecognizable contributions from Kraftwerk's Karl > Bartos, Electronic's 1996 LP Raise the Pressure was a glittering slab of > dance-pop wallpaper, bereft of even a single memorable hook-- and without > them, Bernard Sumner's infamously sophomoric lyrics drop like bricks. Three > years later, they tried again with the guitar-heavy breakbeats of Twisted > Tenderness, but the record played like self-indulgent experiments in > songwriting, pulling moods from other bands, like The The ("Vivid") and > Curve ("Hive"). > But without question, Peter Hook's most recent band Monaco is the black > obsidian jewel in the wretched crown of New Order's myriad extracurricular > failures. Hearing Hook's tape-op collaborator David Potts strain to sound > like Sumner while missing the high notes on "Shine" ("Just as I thought/ > I've found someone that needs me") is a sickly sweet moment of car-crash > viewing recommended for anyone in need of a good laugh at pop music's > ultimate absurdity. You can hear Potts' Oasis fantasies taking over midway > through 1997's Music for Pleasure, on outrageous Gallagher knocks "Buzz Gum" > and "Blue" ("When I'm down and can't get up/ And I've just run out of luck/ > And there's nothing else to say"). I haven't cried so hard since That Petrol > Emotion's "Cellophane"! > By 2000, Potts had all but perfected his Sumner impression, making Monaco a > frightening doppelganger of New Order's Get Ready (2001). The songs are > still duds-- including a laughably unaware trip-pop rehash of Bowie's > "Quicksand" ("A Life Apart")-- but standouts like "I've Got a Feeling" and > "Kashmere" are even more menacing. Indistinguishable from New Order, they > make this duplicitous band a terrifyingly cynical proposition from a star > player in a group that's had no qualms about milking its trademark sound > over the last ten years. That their other projects haven't affected New > Order's standing is a testament to the powers of selective promotion, sleek > packaging, and most of all, calculated anonymity. Here's to New Order, > whatever they are. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important > Questions. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/VpLolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > faclist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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