From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #37 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Thursday, June 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 037 (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) Canterbury Court Perth Australia Re: (Fac33) Canterbury Court Perth Australia Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) saville New Order cd fast service Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack RE: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:18:30 -0400 From: "Kim Podolak" Subject: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack

Hello,

I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions?

Thanks!!!

Kim


Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 00:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you are (or should be). I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. Anyway, sorry for the tirade. - -=A=- On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > > Hello, > > I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? > > Thanks!!! > > Kim > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + > Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + > To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:49:13 +0800 From: "Simon Erskine" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Canterbury Court Perth Australia It absolutely kills me to read you discussing the Perth '87 gigs (Red Parrot and Canterbury Court). Residing in Perth and being totally consumed by the band, it was only my youthful underage that cruelly denied my attendance. Thanks for resurrecting the pain ;) Wonderful reflections though, in all seriousness. Can't confirm that Brotherhood had a local release by those dates but I'd say it was highly likely given the 1986 on my Factory Australasia(!) cassette . Not to mention it would've been very much in the interest of album sales. As for the Paradise remix, it was unique to the local True Faith Remix 12" (183R), commissioned by Factory Australasia and cut together by Sydneysider Robert Racic, who died -- very much prematurely -- last year. His rework was surely one of the more faithful and sought-after remixes, thus cementing his legacy in the New Order universe. Simon depthcharge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:08:01 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Canterbury Court Perth Australia Yeah - I just bought the True Faith Remix 12" from ebay, it was so worth it (something like US$50 to cover 2 auctions of 2 New Order 12" each - Shellshock, Thieves Like Us, and True Faith - all Oz - and the UK TF '94). I can't wait to play them. Bummer about missing out on the Perth '87 gigs, total bummer! I hope you saw them in 2002 big day out :-) xox Mike In a message dated 6/25/03 6:53:11 AM, depthcharge@space.net.au writes: << It absolutely kills me to read you discussing the Perth '87 gigs (Red Parrot and Canterbury Court). Residing in Perth and being totally consumed by the band, it was only my youthful underage that cruelly denied my attendance. Thanks for resurrecting the pain ;) Wonderful reflections though, in all seriousness. Can't confirm that Brotherhood had a local release by those dates but I'd say it was highly likely given the 1986 on my Factory Australasia(!) cassette . Not to mention it would've been very much in the interest of album sales. As for the Paradise remix, it was unique to the local True Faith Remix 12" (183R), commissioned by Factory Australasia and cut together by Sydneysider Robert Racic, who died -- very much prematurely -- last year. His rework was surely one of the more faithful and sought-after remixes, thus cementing his legacy in the New Order universe. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:57:19 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack where do you live, andrew? maybe it=B4s easy for you to get the cd but for many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they don=B4t send it here but because it=B4s dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds of delivery is just unreachable to me. you don=B4t know how happy argentinian fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. and now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have the original stuff in our hands. but we can=B4t. so do it or don=B4t do it. but don=B4t try to teach moral here because there=B4re things that just don=B4t fit into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could talk about moral. but we don=B4t.... regards alejo > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > are (or should be). >=20 > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. >=20 > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. >=20 > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. >=20 > -=3DA=3D- >=20 > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? >>=20 >> Thanks!!! >>=20 >> Kim >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________________________________= _____ >> ___ >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + >> To talk to a person, send mail to . >>=20 >=20 > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:04:50 -0400 From: "Brian Cameron" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Alejo, I ordered a copy last week and when/if it arrives I won't need the free copy I downloaded from the website, so I'll be happy to mail it to you (free of charge) if you have not been able to sort out the link problems. Bri - ----- Original Message ----- From: "almanso" To: "Andrew J. Lillie" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack where do you live, andrew? maybe itīs easy for you to get the cd but for many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they donīt send it here but because itīs dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds of delivery is just unreachable to me. you donīt know how happy argentinian fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. and now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have the original stuff in our hands. but we canīt. so do it or donīt do it. but donīt try to teach moral here because thereīre things that just donīt fit into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could talk about moral. but we donīt.... regards alejo > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > are (or should be). > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > -=A=- > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? >> >> Thanks!!! >> >> Kim >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ _ >> ___ >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + >> To talk to a person, send mail to . >> > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:19:07 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack hey, brian. thank you very much. i could download the whole song from the website so it=B4s ok. i hope one day i could get the REAL one. but in the meantime i=B4m happy just to be able to listen to it. thanks again for the offer. you=B4re very kind ;) regards alejo > Alejo, >=20 > I ordered a copy last week and when/if it arrives I won't need the free c= opy > I downloaded from the website, so I'll be happy to mail it to you (free = of > charge) if you have not been able to sort out the link problems. >=20 > Bri >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "almanso" > To: "Andrew J. Lillie" ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack >=20 >=20 > where do you live, andrew? maybe it=B4s easy for you to get the cd but for > many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they > don=B4t send it here but because it=B4s dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds = of > delivery is just unreachable to me. you don=B4t know how happy argentinian > fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. a= nd > now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have th= e > original stuff in our hands. but we can=B4t. so do it or don=B4t do it. but > don=B4t try to teach moral here because there=B4re things that just don=B4t fit > into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could > talk about moral. but we don=B4t.... > regards >=20 > alejo >=20 >=20 >> Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you >> are (or should be). >>=20 >> I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It'= s >> not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's >> impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. >>=20 >> I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the >> band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to >> piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if >> its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. >>=20 >> Anyway, sorry for the tirade. >>=20 >> -=3DA=3D- >>=20 >> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? >>>=20 >>> Thanks!!! >>>=20 >>> Kim >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ > _ >>> ___ >>> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + >>> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + >>> To talk to a person, send mail to . >>>=20 >>=20 >> ------- >> + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ >> + To talk to a person, send mail to . >=20 > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . >=20 > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Dignam Subject: Re: (Fac33) saville New Order cd fast service I ordered mine by fax at around 11.00 am on Monday... it was delivered today at about 12 noon! London to Ireland in 49 hours - Not bad! Listening to it now - excellent. It's a lovely evening here - think I'll get a beer from the fridge (who suggested that? great idea!) Mark ramsesblue@yahoo.com Going to exhibition next Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. - -=3DA=3D- On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, almanso wrote: > where do you live, andrew? maybe it=B4s easy for you to get the cd but fo= r > many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they > don=B4t send it here but because it=B4s dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pou= nds of > delivery is just unreachable to me. you don=B4t know how happy argentinia= n > fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. a= nd > now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have th= e > original stuff in our hands. but we can=B4t. so do it or don=B4t do it. b= ut > don=B4t try to teach moral here because there=B4re things that just don= =B4t fit > into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could > talk about moral. but we don=B4t.... > regards > > alejo > > > > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > > are (or should be). > > > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It= 's > > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of th= e > > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell i= f > > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > > > -=3DA=3D- > > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions= ? > >> > >> Thanks!!! > >> > >> Kim > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________= _______ > >> ___ > >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + > >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ = + > >> To talk to a person, send mail to . > >> > > > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony= / > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:58:48 -0700 From: "Jeff Sheldon" Subject: RE: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Probably due to the exchange rate. 10 pounds is about $15 US dollars...that's not so bad. I'd imagine the exchange rate in Argentina is a bit more severe however. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Andrew J. Lillie Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:53 AM To: almanso Cc: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. - -=A=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:05:46 -0400 From: "Brian Cameron" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack I guess it depends on what currency you are comparing the Pound to. When the Argentina peso was pegged to the US dollar -- up until two years ago -- then indeed you had an even comparison. But today that is no longer the case. Their whole economy tanked. I visited Argentina two years ago (before the decline) and plan to return next February. I expect to find a very different country from when I left it last. My "Buenos Aires Hard Rock Cafe" t-shirt has become a collectors item or me, in that the HardRock no longer exists there -- couldn't survive the economic downturn. I believe that is true for a lot of other places in that city that I have fond memories of -- the only thing remaining are the memories. Bri - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew J. Lillie" To: "almanso" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. - -=A=- On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, almanso wrote: > where do you live, andrew? maybe itīs easy for you to get the cd but for > many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they > donīt send it here but because itīs dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds of > delivery is just unreachable to me. you donīt know how happy argentinian > fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. and > now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have the > original stuff in our hands. but we canīt. so do it or donīt do it. but > donīt try to teach moral here because thereīre things that just donīt fit > into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could > talk about moral. but we donīt.... > regards > > alejo > > > > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > > are (or should be). > > > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's > > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the > > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if > > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > > > -=A=- > > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks!!! > >> > >> Kim > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > >> ___ > >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + > >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + > >> To talk to a person, send mail to . > >> > > > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:13:59 EDT From: GaoBest@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Are we sure that 6 quid shipping is per order? I think it's per CD. my parcel (CD) was sent by Swift Air, and it cost 6.12 pounds - they actually lost a little change on my order. Or maybe they sent it Swift as a courtesy? Anyway, I agree that 16 pounds for this CD isn't really expensive. And it's New Order. However, it is limited, so at some point in time, it will "sell out" and people who want it will be forced to get copies. I doubt many people who bought it plan to resell it. It's too cool of a product to want to resell :-) x Mike In a message dated 6/25/03 12:57:30 PM, andy@bigdis.com writes: << I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Quoted from the order form: "United Kingdom 2.00 Rest of Europe 4.00 Rest of World 6.00 (Rates are quoted per order)." So, yeah, I'm pretty sure its per order. Their words, not mine. And, once its sold out, and starts fetching way too much on Ebay and the like, then I won't have so much of a problem with people making it available online, as its then not taking money out of the band's pocket. - -=A=- On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 GaoBest@aol.com wrote: > Are we sure that 6 quid shipping is per order? I think it's per CD. my > parcel (CD) was sent by Swift Air, and it cost 6.12 pounds - they actually lost a > little change on my order. Or maybe they sent it Swift as a courtesy? > > Anyway, I agree that 16 pounds for this CD isn't really expensive. And it's > New Order. > > However, it is limited, so at some point in time, it will "sell out" and > people who want it will be forced to get copies. I doubt many people who bought > it plan to resell it. It's too cool of a product to want to resell :-) > > x > Mike > > > In a message dated 6/25/03 12:57:30 PM, andy@bigdis.com writes: > > << I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average > > commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high > > side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with > > some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. > > >> > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:56:21 +0100 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack It's not impossible. The Design Museum take orders by fax and email and unless you don't have a fax machine (possible) or email (self-evidently you have one), then you can order. If you can't afford it fine, that's your decision, but you haven't paid for it, you're stealing the song. I have no problems with anyone trading out-of-print material by MP3 : if you can't buy it, you can't lose sales. If people trade commercially available material by MP3 that is simply theft and absolutely no different from any other form of MP3 trading. There is a very simple moral here : if you download songs you can buy you're costing the industry sales. The less CD's New Order sell, the less likely the chance of them remaining signed. I remember talking to someone at EMI who said that Electronic were basically a 'prestige' act that sold bugger all but looked good on the EMI roster (ex Smiths/NewOrder) and based on their sales alone they'd've been dropped in 97. So downlaoding is not good. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "almanso" To: "Andrew J. Lillie" ; Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack where do you live, andrew? maybe itīs easy for you to get the cd but for many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they donīt send it here but because itīs dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds of delivery is just unreachable to me. you donīt know how happy argentinian fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. and now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have the original stuff in our hands. but we canīt. so do it or donīt do it. but donīt try to teach moral here because thereīre things that just donīt fit into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could talk about moral. but we donīt.... regards alejo > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > are (or should be). > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > -=A=- > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? >> >> Thanks!!! >> >> Kim >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ _ >> ___ >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + >> To talk to a person, send mail to . >> > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Thank you, Mark, for stating in a way more elegant fashion exactly what I had been trying to explain. - -=3DA=3D- On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Mark Reed wrote: > It's not impossible. The Design Museum take orders by fax and email and > unless you don't have a fax machine (possible) or email (self-evidently y= ou > have one), then you can order. If you can't afford it fine, that's your > decision, but you haven't paid for it, you're stealing the song. > > I have no problems with anyone trading out-of-print material by MP3 : if = you > can't buy it, you can't lose sales. If people trade commercially availabl= e > material by MP3 that is simply theft and absolutely no different from any > other form of MP3 trading. > > There is a very simple moral here : if you download songs you can buy you= 're > costing the industry sales. The less CD's New Order sell, the less likely > the chance of them remaining signed. I remember talking to someone at EMI > who said that Electronic were basically a 'prestige' act that sold bugger > all but looked good on the EMI roster (ex Smiths/NewOrder) and based on > their sales alone they'd've been dropped in 97. > > So downlaoding is not good. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "almanso" > To: "Andrew J. Lillie" ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack > > > where do you live, andrew? maybe it=B4s easy for you to get the cd but fo= r > many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they > don=B4t send it here but because it=B4s dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pou= nds of > delivery is just unreachable to me. you don=B4t know how happy argentinia= n > fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. a= nd > now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have th= e > original stuff in our hands. but we can=B4t. so do it or don=B4t do it. b= ut > don=B4t try to teach moral here because there=B4re things that just don= =B4t fit > into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could > talk about moral. but we don=B4t.... > regards > > alejo > > > > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > > are (or should be). > > > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It= 's > > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of th= e > > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell i= f > > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > > > -=3DA=3D- > > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions= ? > >> > >> Thanks!!! > >> > >> Kim > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ > _ > >> ___ > >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + > >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ = + > >> To talk to a person, send mail to . > >> > > > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony= / > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:25:36 -0400 From: "Bri" Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Well, at first I stole it! Then I bought it! I will share it with anyone who cannot get it. Point! Blank! Bri - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew J. Lillie" To: "Mark Reed" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack Thank you, Mark, for stating in a way more elegant fashion exactly what I had been trying to explain. - -=A=- On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Mark Reed wrote: > It's not impossible. The Design Museum take orders by fax and email and > unless you don't have a fax machine (possible) or email (self-evidently you > have one), then you can order. If you can't afford it fine, that's your > decision, but you haven't paid for it, you're stealing the song. > > I have no problems with anyone trading out-of-print material by MP3 : if you > can't buy it, you can't lose sales. If people trade commercially available > material by MP3 that is simply theft and absolutely no different from any > other form of MP3 trading. > > There is a very simple moral here : if you download songs you can buy you're > costing the industry sales. The less CD's New Order sell, the less likely > the chance of them remaining signed. I remember talking to someone at EMI > who said that Electronic were basically a 'prestige' act that sold bugger > all but looked good on the EMI roster (ex Smiths/NewOrder) and based on > their sales alone they'd've been dropped in 97. > > So downlaoding is not good. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "almanso" > To: "Andrew J. Lillie" ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack > > > where do you live, andrew? maybe itīs easy for you to get the cd but for > many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they > donīt send it here but because itīs dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds of > delivery is just unreachable to me. you donīt know how happy argentinian > fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. and > now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have the > original stuff in our hands. but we canīt. so do it or donīt do it. but > donīt try to teach moral here because thereīre things that just donīt fit > into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could > talk about moral. but we donīt.... > regards > > alejo > > > > Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you > > are (or should be). > > > > I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It's > > not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's > > impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. > > > > I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of the > > band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to > > piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell if > > its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. > > > > Anyway, sorry for the tirade. > > > > -=A=- > > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks!!! > >> > >> Kim > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > >> ___ > >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------- + > >> Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + > >> To talk to a person, send mail to . > >> > > > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:50:38 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) the exhibit soundtrack 16 pounds are more than 25 US dollars, which means 75 pesos. here we pay th= e cds for 20 pesos or so. now you can see the difference? alejo > I live in the USA. Why is 10 pounds expensive? That's like average > commercial CD pricing. I agree 6 pounds shipping is a bit on the high > side, but that's _per order_. So, group together and order three with > some other folks, and then shipping is pretty reasonable for overseas. >=20 > -=3DA=3D- >=20 > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, almanso wrote: >=20 >> where do you live, andrew? maybe it=B4s easy for you to get the cd but for >> many people like me it would be impossible to get one. not because they >> don=B4t send it here but because it=B4s dead expensive. 10 pounds + 6 pounds= of >> delivery is just unreachable to me. you don=B4t know how happy argentinian >> fans are right now. they thought they could never listen to soundtrack. = and >> now they can. of course any of us would prefer to BUY the cd, and have t= he >> original stuff in our hands. but we can=B4t. so do it or don=B4t do it. but >> don=B4t try to teach moral here because there=B4re things that just don=B4t fi= t >> into the moral thing. if we all had the same opportunities then we could >> talk about moral. but we don=B4t.... >> regards >>=20 >> alejo >>=20 >>=20 >>> Yeah, order it like the good, law-abiding, self-respecting fan that you >>> are (or should be). >>>=20 >>> I mean, having this up online is really kinda lame (in my opinion). It= 's >>> not at though this is something like the X-Mas flexi, where it's >>> impossible to find and/or unreasonably priced. >>>=20 >>> I'm all for the sharing of rarities when its not taking money out of th= e >>> band's/record company's pocket. But, this really is pretty close to >>> piracy. Having a few minutes of it available so that people can tell i= f >>> its worth buying wouldn't bother me so much though. >>>=20 >>> Anyway, sorry for the tirade. >>>=20 >>> -=3DA=3D- >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, Kim Podolak wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> I am having problems with the link to the soundtrack...any suggestions= ? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks!!! >>>>=20 >>>> Kim >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ______________________________________________________________________= _____ >>>> __ >>>> ___ >>>> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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