From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #51 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Sunday, October 19 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 051 (Fac33) Gillian Re: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) New Order Sites Archive Project: images and versions RE: (Fac33) Gillian SV: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) Gillian Re: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Archives of offline sites. Please help. RE: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) Re: [faclist] New Order Sites Archive Project: images and versions Re: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Gillian Re: (Fac33) Gillian SV: (Fac33) Gillian Re: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) Times Change (Fac33) Retro (the archive) - Thank you RE: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Times Change Re: Re: (Fac33) Gillian Re: Re: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) New album (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mohammad Makarechian Subject: (Fac33) Gillian It seems that what I feared for some time now is true: Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be the same without her. It really is a shame... - -- MM ===== "As soon as I open my mouth, I give too much of myself away." - - Bernard Sumner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 00:14:31 -0400 From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian << It seems that what I feared for some time now is true: Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be the same without her. It really is a shame... >> there is an enormous sonic difference in the Gillian-era and the post-Gillian era. i have read some articles stating that musical direction of New Order will be more like that of their earlier incarnation. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what kind of NewOrder fan you are. Perhaps it is because of my age but i prefer old order. Is this new musical direction being aimed to entice younger fans? i wonder... kind regards ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:58:51 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynflux@aol.com [mailto:Cynflux@aol.com] > Sent: 08 October 2003 05:15 > To: makarechian@yahoo.com; ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian > > << It seems that what I feared for some time now is true: > Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be > the same without her. It really is a shame... >> > > there is an enormous sonic difference in > the Gillian-era and the post-Gillian era. > i have read some articles stating that > musical direction of New Order > will be more like that of > their earlier incarnation. > This can be a good thing or > a bad thing depending on what > kind of NewOrder fan you are. > Perhaps it is because of my > age but i prefer old order. > Is this new musical direction > being aimed to entice > younger fans? i wonder... No, I reckon it's to get out of the 1980s. Regret is a classic but still could have been written in 1986. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:48:15 +0200 From: "Mick Aneworderfan" Subject: (Fac33) New Order Sites Archive Project: images and versions OK I forgot a couple of things in my previous message: - - Unfortunately some images are missing on the Wayback Machine. I think it'll be enough for the archivers warning that the images are missing because of the Wayback and not of them or the former webmasters. We're not trying to do a perfect reproduction of the sites here, otherwise we'd ask for original archived material from the hard disks of the former webmasters, but that'd be more complex operation. We're just trying to give an idea of how the site was to surf, how it was structured and how it looked like, what news and links it featured at the time etc... - - I think the most interesting thing is to archive the oldest versions available of the site (which can be reproduced in their entirety of course, not those missing important pages if there are other more recent but more complete). For example I'd archive the June 05, 1997 version of Ceremony. I hope this project will work, some sites have already been lost (there's only one page left of the Atrocity Exhibition), we now have the chance to archive the sites that can be saved before they're lost as well. Please, especially you former webmasters (hello Colin, Dennis etc.), E Mail me privately as I'm on the digests. Allow us to save those bits of history you wrote at the time. If anyone replies please use the "reply all" button so I'll receive the message privately. Please forward other important messages. Thanks again. mick: mick973@email.it movement: http://www.movement.zor.org [118 sites listed] - -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Scopri come ottimizzare il tuo PC con Manuali.Net! Trucchi ed astuzie per renderlo perfettamente efficiente! Clicca qui: http://www.manuali.net/affiliati/catalogo.asp?scat=105&cat=48 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1811&d=8-10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:28:48 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > > << It seems that what I feared for some time now is true: > > Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be > > the same without her. It really is a shame... >> To me, being more of a Joy Division fan, the Joy Division members are all still intact, so I'm still happy! If one of the three lads left now I'd be a bit fecked off.. Although I suppose it's less of an embarrassment now at concerts. Watch World in Motion in Reading 98, as Gillian's keyboard lines play on a backing tape while she stands there with her hands hovering above the keyboard... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:47:55 +0200 From: "Erik Myrhage" Subject: SV: (Fac33) Gillian Hi! I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. Is it songs with no keyboard at all or is it songs that are more guitarbased? Crystal and many other songs on Get Ready are definately guitarbased but they do also have nice synth parts as well. I think it´s a core factor in New Order´s music that they mix classic guitarbased songs with synth and dance. /E - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]För Brian McGee Skickat: den 8 oktober 2003 11:29 Till: 'ceremony@monkey.org' Ämne: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > > << It seems that what I feared for some time now is true: > > Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be > > the same without her. It really is a shame... >> To me, being more of a Joy Division fan, the Joy Division members are all still intact, so I'm still happy! If one of the three lads left now I'd be a bit fecked off.. Although I suppose it's less of an embarrassment now at concerts. Watch World in Motion in Reading 98, as Gillian's keyboard lines play on a backing tape while she stands there with her hands hovering above the keyboard... - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:14:26 +0100 From: nellemann@cool.dk Subject: (Fac33) Gillian > I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. Isn't it Stephen that does the keyboard part in the writing fase? I have never seen Gillian than more than Stephens wife, when you see her live - she seems so insecure with that keyboard, that I hardly think that she's the keyboard wizz in New Order. Lars ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 07:21:36 -0300 From: almanso Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian >> I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. > Isn't it Stephen that does the keyboard part in the writing fase? > I have never seen Gillian than more than Stephens wife, when you see > her live - she seems so insecure with that keyboard, that I hardly think > that she's the keyboard wizz in New Order. >=20 > Lars for me the wizz is barney. well, after all he used to MAKE all the machines with his own hands on the early days. and he always said that he used to compose starting with synths until the last Electronic stage. so i don=B4t think the girl had a lot to do with the creative process. after all she entered the band because as barney once said "we wanted someone that couldn=B4t play and Gillian definetely couldn=B4t" NO+JD book alejo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:22:13 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > -----Original Message----- > From: nellemann@cool.dk [mailto:nellemann@cool.dk] > Sent: 08 October 2003 11:14 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) Gillian > > > > I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. > > Isn't it Stephen that does the keyboard part in the writing fase? > I have never seen Gillian than more than Stephens wife, when you see > her live - she seems so insecure with that keyboard, that I > hardly think > that she's the keyboard wizz in New Order. > > Lars Absolutely. Stephen and Bernard. Gillian adds a few one-finger lines, which are cool but hardly indispensible.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:42:39 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McGee [mailto:Brian.McGee@Sentrio.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:29 AM > > To me, being more of a Joy Division fan, the Joy Division > members are all still intact, so I'm still happy! Weeeelll, except for Ian... So we used to have a JD w/o Ian, now we have a NO w/o Gillian. I hardly think Gillian was the one who kept them away from writing JD-esque tracks. 25 years have a tendency to change/evolve your creative juices... T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 06:44:09 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Archives of offline sites. Please help. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mick Aneworderfan [mailto:mick973@email.it] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:41 PM > > I've started linking to archives of offline sites on Movement. This is > sometimes really interesting, like checking the original Electronic > Discography on a text file written by Richard kernin and > Dennis Remmer... I have the first version posted of the New Order Discography. It will be added as a "historical reference" in the next revision of the Discography. http://www.niagara.edu/neworder T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:43:12 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) [mailto:tivarsson@lucent.com] > Sent: 08 October 2003 12:43 > To: 'ceremony@monkey.org' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > > > To me, being more of a Joy Division fan, the Joy Division > > members are all still intact, so I'm still happy! > > Weeeelll, except for Ian... Sure, (he he), but with JD, almost all the *music* (leaving the vocals aside) was done by "New Order minus Gillian", which is the same band we have today. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:21:27 -0400 From: colinlaw@mac.com Subject: (Fac33) Re: [faclist] New Order Sites Archive Project: images and versions I am a bit of a pack rat when it comes to computer files, so I do indeed have a complete copy of my Ceremony site. send me a private email and we'll work out how to get it to you. Colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:29:14 -0700 From: John Frye Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian I remember reading somewhere that either Peter Hook or Barney said "Rock The Shack" shouldn't be so shocking to fans because it is like a Warsaw song. I always thought that was way off. So I am kind of wondering what kind of sound they are going for when they say they are going to sound like Joy Division. Also, Gillian used to play some guitar in the early days. It seemed like she had a more important role. Keyboard parts are too easily taken over by sequencers. I think she has just been downsized. Kind of like when Wire started using drum machines and Robert Gotobed figured out he wasn't needed anymore. - -John On Wednesday, October 8, 2003, at 04:42 AM, Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian McGee [mailto:Brian.McGee@Sentrio.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:29 AM >> >> To me, being more of a Joy Division fan, the Joy Division >> members are all still intact, so I'm still happy! > > Weeeelll, except for Ian... > > So we used to have a JD w/o Ian, now we have a NO w/o Gillian. > > I hardly think Gillian was the one who kept them away from writing > JD-esque tracks. 25 years have a tendency to change/evolve your > creative juices... > > T. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:50:42 +0100 From: "Duddridge Lee" Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian Bri Did you catch sight on NOOL of the Mac NO used for the Technique=20 sessions? As I recall, there was a fairly clear indication that Dream Attack=20 was Gillian's track. Suprised me too, which is why I remember it ... Just a thought Cheers Lee - -----Original Message----- From: Brian McGee [mailto:Brian.McGee@Sentrio.com] Sent: 08 October 2003 11:22 To: 'ceremony@monkey.org' Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian Absolutely. Stephen and Bernard. Gillian adds a few one-finger lines, which are cool but hardly indispensible.. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:42:14 -0400 From: "Neil" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian >> I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. > Isn't it Stephen that does the keyboard part in the writing fase? > I have never seen Gillian than more than Stephens wife, when you see > her live - she seems so insecure with that keyboard, that I hardly think > that she's the keyboard wizz in New Order. > > Lars For me, Gillian is definitely part of the band in her own right, more so than Bez in Happy Mondays for example. Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:47:45 +0200 From: "Erik Myrhage" Subject: SV: (Fac33) Gillian ...or Fletch in Depeche Mode... ;) /E - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org]För Neil Skickat: den 8 oktober 2003 18:42 Till: ceremony@monkey.org Ämne: Re: (Fac33) Gillian >> I wonder what they mean by no more keyboard songs. > Isn't it Stephen that does the keyboard part in the writing fase? > I have never seen Gillian than more than Stephens wife, when you see > her live - she seems so insecure with that keyboard, that I hardly think > that she's the keyboard wizz in New Order. > > Lars For me, Gillian is definitely part of the band in her own right, more so than Bez in Happy Mondays for example. Neil. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:26:09 +0100 From: "Kevin Maidment" Subject: Re: (Fac33) Gillian It's interesting to imagine how New Order may change for lack of Gillian's involvement. However, the most important issue here (i'm sure we'll all agree) is the wellbeing of Gillian's child. Let's hope things work out for them both. Some things in life are more important than music, after all. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:40:09 -0400 From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) Times Change Life will never be the same in this Port Royal Town... i can hear it coming the shaking of the ground they're stealing in the day in Port Royal Town The children are running i'm listening to Republic tonight and i thought the lyrics was fitting considering the recent events. what's this nonsense about Gillian being a one finger keyboardist? she was playing with both hands on the keys. she was playing chords. umm...Avalanche?? kind regards ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 04:03:05 +0200 From: "Mick Aneworderfan" Subject: (Fac33) Retro (the archive) - Thank you Many thanks to Dennis Remmer and Colin Law for their kind replies, I'm really happy all this historic material is resurfacing. I didn't expect indeed the legendary New Order Discography v1.0, 1992, it's brilliant! I've started a new section of Movement, named Retro (the archive), where offline sites will be archived. I am very, very proud to start with the first Discography. I hope to update soon with other stuff. Well, archiving a complete version of the Ceremony site would be absolutely excellent. mick: mick973@email.it Retro (the archive): http://www.geocities.com/dgmichael73/archive.html - -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Enoteca Squillari: da 40 anni soddisfiamo i nostri clienti con successo grazie all'ampio assortimento di prodotti di qualità e ai prezzi più convenienti del web! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1985&d=9-10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:27:22 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian Hi I don't recall seeing it - in what way does it indicate this? > -----Original Message----- > From: Duddridge Lee [mailto:Lee.Duddridge@lsc.gov.uk] > Sent: 08 October 2003 16:51 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Cc: Brian McGee > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > > > Bri > Did you catch sight on NOOL of the Mac NO used for the Technique > sessions? > As I recall, there was a fairly clear indication that Dream Attack > was Gillian's track. Suprised me too, which is why I remember it ... > > Just a thought > Cheers > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McGee [mailto:Brian.McGee@Sentrio.com] > Sent: 08 October 2003 11:22 > To: 'ceremony@monkey.org' > Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian > > > Absolutely. Stephen and Bernard. Gillian adds a few > one-finger lines, > which are cool but hardly indispensible.. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 11:28:14 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Times Change > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynflux@aol.com [mailto:Cynflux@aol.com] > Sent: 09 October 2003 01:40 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) Times Change > > > Life will never be the same in this Port Royal Town... > i can hear it coming > the shaking of the ground > they're stealing in the day in Port Royal Town > The children are running > > i'm listening to Republic tonight and i thought > the lyrics was fitting considering the recent events. > > what's this nonsense about Gillian being a one finger keyboardist? > she was playing with both hands on the keys. she was playing chords. > umm...Avalanche?? I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Gillian required multi-tracking for anything more than two keys at a time. Just watch her on any New Order concert video. She's very much a one-finger keyboardist. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 4:41:34 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: (Fac33) Gillian I think what everyone is failing to see here is that when they say Gillian is officially not part of New Order, she's still married to Stephen, and still has some influence on what the band does, however "unofficial" it may be. I'm certain the guys won't be telling her that she can't come 'round when they're writing because she's not part of the group anymore. It's not like she's leaving the group because of some discord within the group, and she never wants to see any of the guys again. just my 2cents Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:04:43 +0100 From: "Mark Reed" Subject: Re: Re: (Fac33) Gillian Yeah she's probably off in the kitchen making tea and listens to all the new demos anyway M - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: (Fac33) Gillian I think what everyone is failing to see here is that when they say Gillian is officially not part of New Order, she's still married to Stephen, and still has some influence on what the band does, however "unofficial" it may be. I'm certain the guys won't be telling her that she can't come 'round when they're writing because she's not part of the group anymore. It's not like she's leaving the group because of some discord within the group, and she never wants to see any of the guys again. just my 2cents Tim - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:43:28 +0200 From: "Erik Myrhage" Subject: (Fac33) New album I know I´ve asked this before. But has anyone on the list heard any new songs? The band should by now be quite far in the writing process and there should be some finished songs. We have some members on the list that are close friends to the band... If you´ve heard anything of the new music... is it good and how does it sound? I know it´s supposed to sound a lot like Joy Division... But in what way? Does anyone know when it´s expected to be released. And where to find soundclips... ;) /E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:53:15 -0700 From: Sam Habash Subject: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? Not talking about Barney's pitch-shifted monologue, but the part right at the bridge. To me, it sounds like "The Best of Select" (as in the magazine) but it could be a few other things. Should I be asking in the NewOrderOnline forums? I'd figure I'd try here first. - --Sam ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #51 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .