From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #52 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 052 Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' / 'Mr Disco'? (Fac33) OT: Midi controllers question... RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Re: (Fac33) OT: Midi controllers question... (Fac33) Re: Gillian (Fac33) Re: Gillian RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' RE: (Fac33) Gillian RE: (Fac33) Gillian (Fac33) NEW ORDER TATTOOS (Fac33) NEW ORDER TATTOOS RE: (Fac33) Re: Gillian (Fac33) World In Motion remixes (Fac33) eBay RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes Re: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:38:45 -0200 From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" Subject: Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" All the best Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Habash" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? > Not talking about Barney's pitch-shifted monologue, but the part > right at the bridge. > > To me, it sounds like "The Best of Select" (as in the magazine) > but it could be a few other things. > > Should I be asking in the NewOrderOnline forums? I'd figure > I'd try here first. > > --Sam > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:37 -0400 From: "Daniel McCarthy" Subject: Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live version of Fine Time on the fourth disc of the box set. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Habash" > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:33:50 +0100 From: "Duddridge Lee" Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' I always heard it as 'acid man' even after I read online that it was = definitely 'ecstacy.' But the live version clearly shows you it to be 'ecstacy' as DM says. - -----Original Message----- From: Daniel McCarthy [mailto:mccarthydp@comcast.net] Sent: 20 October 2003 05:46 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live version of = Fine Time on the fourth disc of the box set. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" = > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Habash" > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:36:13 +0100 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Ecstasy addict? Smash Hits said "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" as Pete said, but = I've always heard "Ecstasy Addict"! L8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org=20 > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McCarthy >=20 >=20 > Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live=20 > version of Fine > Time on the fourth disc of the box set. >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia"=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Habash" > > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:40:28 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' An American accent, speaking the words The past doesn't matter The past doesn't matter The past doesn't matter The past doesn't matter Listen to it or slow it down and listen to it... I'm reasonably certain! > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick King [mailto:nickwking@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 20 October 2003 09:36 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' > > > Ecstasy addict? > > Smash Hits said "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" as Pete > said, but I've > always heard "Ecstasy Addict"! > > L8rs, > > > Nick ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McCarthy > > > > > > Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live > > version of Fine > > Time on the fourth disc of the box set. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" > > > > > > > > > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sam Habash" > > > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Smiley Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' sam wrote: > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in > Fine Time? To me, it sounds like "The Best of > Select" (as in the magazine) but it could be a few > other things. i've always assumed that he's saying: "The best I've seen yet" ...at this point. cheers, - --- Smiley __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:03:35 +0100 From: "Al Jarvis" Subject: Re: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' / 'Mr Disco'? Yeah, I remember Smash Hits saying 'acid man' and 'box it' though I've never been able to work out the actual words meself. We all seem to hear different things. Now, what does the electronic voice say in all live versions of Mr Disco from Reading 89 and the US tour the same year? Sounds like it's all in different languages - opens with 'Bon Voyage' and definitely keeps repeating 'Marbella' but I can't work out the rest. Anyone got an idea? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick King" To: Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Ecstasy addict? Smash Hits said "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" as Pete said, but I've always heard "Ecstasy Addict"! L8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McCarthy > > > Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live > version of Fine > Time on the fourth disc of the box set. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" > > > > > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Habash" > > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in Fine Time? - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: happenstance Subject: (Fac33) OT: Midi controllers question... i'm trying to find the smallest midi controller i can. any thoughts? oxygen8? no, i want smaller... - -geoffrey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:01:12 +0100 From: "Nick King" Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Agreed - just been messing about with it - it's definitely "The Past Doesn't Matter"! L8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Brian McGee > > > > An American accent, speaking the words > > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > > Listen to it or slow it down and listen to it... I'm > reasonably certain! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick King [mailto:nickwking@ntlworld.com] > > > > > > Ecstasy addict? > > > > Smash Hits said "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" as Pete > > said, but I've > > always heard "Ecstasy Addict"! > > > > L8rs, > > > > > > Nick ;-) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > > > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McCarthy > > > > > > > > > Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live > > > version of Fine > > > Time on the fourth disc of the box set. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sam Habash" > > > > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in > Fine Time? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: Re: (Fac33) OT: Midi controllers question... If you just want it for PC-based stuff, how bout the Creative Prodikeys: http://www.prodikeys.com - -=A=- On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, happenstance wrote: > i'm trying to find the smallest midi controller i can. > any thoughts? oxygen8? no, i want smaller... > > -geoffrey > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mohammad Makarechian Subject: (Fac33) Re: Gillian I think it's rather simplistic (and comes off as arrogant) to dismiss Gillian's contribution to the band by focusing on what she did in concerts and how many fingers she used when playing keyboards. Bernard himself once said in an interview that he's not impressed by musicians otherwise he'd bring "a bunch of session musicians to the stage". (I don't say this to attack musicians, BTW :) A track like Avalanche is an example of her contribution (as someone else already pointed out). She influences the songs stylistically. There's a huge difference between Republic and Get Ready, and it's not a matter of being in the 90's or 00's or whatever. It's deciding on the sound of the band. It's the sum-of-parts, and in this case, one of the parts missing. It all comes down to individual preference though. I liked TOT, as a side project, much more than anything that Hooky ever took part in, and almost as much as Electronic. I appreciated Gillian's taste in the type of music that she and Steve made. I'm glad that Steve's still with the band. And, as someone else mentioned, Gillian has a much more important issue to deal with in her life which makes these discussions seem trivial. - -- MM ===== "As soon as I open my mouth, I give too much of myself away." - - Bernard Sumner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eddie Colton Subject: (Fac33) Re: Gillian > Gillian has left the band. To me, NO will never be > the same without her. I concur. > i have read some articles stating that musical direction of > New Order will be more like that of their earlier incarnation. That's a dumb statement for anyone to make, whoever it was. First of all, it's an obvious statement. But mostly it's dumb because New Order only existed for three months before Gillian joined. What was their sound then? Do the fans even remember, let alone the band? If anyone thinks they'll sound like Joy Division, that's just insane. Ian was Joy Division. A band is only as good as its spirit. > I think itīs a core factor in New Orderīs music that they mix > classic guitarbased songs with synth and dance. Well, they're too old to be innovators anymore. Ditching the synths may be a big change, but it's not going to be a progression. Without the 80s, New Order doesn't look as good, because if there's no one using guitars, keyboards, sequencers and drum machines badly, then someone using them well doesn't mean much. And while all those elements are still in style, you very rarely get bad shallow pop songs combining all of them at once these days. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. They could fake their formula for a few more years, but it wouldn't fool many of us. > for me the wizz is barney. well, after all he used to MAKE all the > machines with his own hands on the early days. You must be thinking of Kraftwerk. I always got the impression Bernard barely knew what he was doing when it came to electronics, and it was only out of some sense of guilt that he took on the mantle of Ian's obsession. Sure he got well into it, but the musician credits on Get Ready make it clear he's no longer interested in pushing buttons. Which is a shame, because his guitar skills are going to go unnoticed in today's music scene. > I hardly think Gillian was the one who kept them away from writing > JD-esque tracks. True, but if they're getting back to their original sound now, it's because the past is the only place to look when you have no future. If Monaco and The Other Two had been brilliant albums (and let's face it, even Electronic was only for die hard fans), New Order would be writing the next step from Republic we'd always dreamed about. Instead, they're trying to make a new career out of revisiting their old one. Gillian being in the band meant they were a group still looking forward. > I remember reading somewhere that either Peter Hook or Barney said > "Rock The Shack" shouldn't be so shocking to fans because it is like > a Warsaw song. That's exactly what I thought when I heard it. But even if you've heard the Warsaw demo, would you want a 21st century album that's based on it? By three guys over forty? It's not like they're going to be converting any White Stripes fans. That was a cool song, but I can imagine the next album having songs "like Joy Division" and then songs "like New Order." Eventually they'll get around to writing songs that sound like the current incarnation and the band will cancel itself out. > Just watch her on any New Orderconcert video. She's very much > a one-finger keyboardist. The point - at least prior to 13 years ago - was that a girl playing keyboards without knowing how sounded a hell of a lot better than a bunch of polished studio musicians backing someone like Madonna. > I'm certain the guys won't be telling her that she can't come > 'round when they're writing because she's not part of the > group anymore. It would be hard for her to drop by the studio very often, since it would require New Order to be recording often, which we all know is unlikely to happen. They do so little that they might as well move into a flat together and star in the next season of The Real World. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:54:12 -0400 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Barney does sing "Ecstasy" on the live version on Retro though of course. But it is "The past doesn't matter", I always heard "At the end, the past doesn't matter" when I heard it, but after a few listening a few months back, it's clear it's "The past doesn't matter" repeated a couple of times. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Nick King Sent: October 20, 2003 4:01 PM To: 'Brian McGee'; ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) vocodored bit in 'Fine Time' Agreed - just been messing about with it - it's definitely "The Past Doesn't Matter"! L8rs, Nick ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Brian McGee > > > > An American accent, speaking the words > > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > The past doesn't matter > > Listen to it or slow it down and listen to it... I'm > reasonably certain! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nick King [mailto:nickwking@ntlworld.com] > > > > > > Ecstasy addict? > > > > Smash Hits said "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" as Pete > > said, but I've > > always heard "Ecstasy Addict"! > > > > L8rs, > > > > > > Nick ;-) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org > > > [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McCarthy > > > > > > > > > Ec-sta-sy, ec-sta-sy. You can hear it clearly in the live > > > version of Fine > > > Time on the fourth disc of the box set. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Zarustica, the King of Prussia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always red it as "man, acid man, box it man, acid man" > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sam Habash" > > > > > Anybody know what being said in the vocodered bit in > Fine Time? - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:01:05 -0400 From: SCOTT CURCIE Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian WIRE/WIR WITHOUT ROBERT GOTOBED WAS STILL A GOOD WIRE ALBUM AS WILL BE THE NEXT NEW ORDER ALBUM -- ITS NOT LIKE MR. HOOK IS LEAVING --- CERTAIN PEOPLE BECOME INDISPENSIBLE AND CARING FOR YOUR KIDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT THEN BEING IN A BAND -- ALTHOUGH I WOULD TRADE MY KIDS IN A SECOND FOR A SPOT IN NEW ORDER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:01:05 -0400 From: SCOTT CURCIE Subject: RE: (Fac33) Gillian WIRE/WIR WITHOUT ROBERT GOTOBED WAS STILL A GOOD WIRE ALBUM AS WILL BE THE NEXT NEW ORDER ALBUM -- ITS NOT LIKE MR. HOOK IS LEAVING --- CERTAIN PEOPLE BECOME INDISPENSIBLE AND CARING FOR YOUR KIDS IS A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT THEN BEING IN A BAND -- ALTHOUGH I WOULD TRADE MY KIDS IN A SECOND FOR A SPOT IN NEW ORDER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:03:14 -0400 From: SCOTT CURCIE Subject: (Fac33) NEW ORDER TATTOOS ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD NEW ORDER TATTOO -- JUST HAD MY FOURTH KID AND WANT A GOOD NEW ORDER TATOO WITH HIS NAME 'QUINN' ABOVE IT -- MY OTHER 3 GOT GIPPED AND ALL SHARE A SPECIALS RUDE BOY TATTOO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:03:14 -0400 From: SCOTT CURCIE Subject: (Fac33) NEW ORDER TATTOOS ANY GOOD SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD NEW ORDER TATTOO -- JUST HAD MY FOURTH KID AND WANT A GOOD NEW ORDER TATOO WITH HIS NAME 'QUINN' ABOVE IT -- MY OTHER 3 GOT GIPPED AND ALL SHARE A SPECIALS RUDE BOY TATTOO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:09:06 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) Re: Gillian > -----Original Message----- > From: Eddie Colton [mailto:bratpop@yahoo.com] > Sent: 21 October 2003 04:39 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) Re: Gillian > > sound then? Do the fans even remember, let alone the band? If anyone > thinks they'll sound like Joy Division, that's just insane. > Ian was Joy Division. A band is only as good as its spirit. Nonsense Eddie, Ian hardly played a note. The three lads that played all the music in JD are the same three lads we have today. > > Just watch her on any New Orderconcert video. She's very much > > a one-finger keyboardist. > > The point - at least prior to 13 years ago - was that a girl playing > keyboards without knowing how sounded a hell of a lot better than a > bunch of polished studio musicians backing someone like Madonna. She still did bugger all in the concerts though, that's plain to see. So her absence will make no difference. It's the addition of someone else like Phil that will make a difference. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:27:57 -0400 From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes i recently snagged the canadian cd single of World In Motion on eBay. the canadian version features 2 extra remixes not available on the standard UK / USA cd single. i've uploaded the 2 extra remixes to the net. Enjoy! New Order - World In Motion (subbuteo dub mix) download @ http://i_natour.tripod.com/no/no_wim_subbdub.zip New Order - World In Motion (carabinieri mix) download @ http://i_natour.tripod.com/no/no_wim_carab.zip ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:47:34 -0400 From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) eBay looks like worldinmotion has some competition on eBay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2564751161&category=2250&rd=1 ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:53:53 -0400 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes Not quite rare... I'm sure there are still a few in the bins everywhere in the country... Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Cynflux@aol.com Sent: October 23, 2003 12:28 AM To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes i recently snagged the canadian cd single of World In Motion on eBay. the canadian version features 2 extra remixes not available on the standard UK / USA cd single. i've uploaded the 2 extra remixes to the net. Enjoy! New Order - World In Motion (subbuteo dub mix) download @ http://i_natour.tripod.com/no/no_wim_subbdub.zip New Order - World In Motion (carabinieri mix) download @ http://i_natour.tripod.com/no/no_wim_carab.zip ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:52:15 -0500 From: "Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T)" Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:54 AM > > Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) Hmm, I never understood this statement. Clearly, the majority of the UK chart-voters (or single buyers) think different. I thought the general consensus was that the worst moment was Sub-Culture 12" (which I don't agree with either) or Rock The Shack (which I may agree with). Well, it's nice to know that the taste of people differs. If everyone had my taste, the world would not be a better place :) T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:13:32 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes New Order's worst moments? 10. Bernard saying "Let's get this party...rockin" before Paradise at Reading 98 9. Miming for "Temptation 98" 8. The audio production on the original Temptation 12" 7. The last two minutes of BLT from any gig from 1993 onwards where all the guitar has been removed 6. Such A Good Thing (which wasn't) 5. The vocals on Thieves Like Us for that live version in the Play At Home TV programme on Channel 4 in 1984. 4. The backing vocals during live versions of World, coming out of thin air 3. Gillian doing nothing during the live version of World In Motion at Reading 98, while all keyboard lines are on tape 2. Any recording of Chosen Time played live in 1983 And the number one... 1. The first two minutes of E.G.G. live Stockholm May 19 1981 (this is a cracker, it's actually funny, especially when Bernard starts on the guitar). Make sure to check this one out if you're not familiar with it (hope I've got the gig date right) All of those are worse than Subculture 12" AND World In Motion! Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) [mailto:tivarsson@lucent.com] > Sent: 23 October 2003 12:52 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:54 AM > > > > Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) > > Hmm, I never understood this statement. Clearly, the majority > of the UK chart-voters (or single buyers) think different. I > thought the general consensus was that the worst moment was > Sub-Culture 12" (which I don't agree with either) or Rock The > Shack (which I may agree with). > > Well, it's nice to know that the taste of people differs. If > everyone had my taste, the world would not be a better place :) > > T. > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:29:04 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes Very true! Maybe that would slot in around number 6 on the list below. If I could be arsed, I'd do a survey and make a top 100 ! Brian - -----Original Message----- From: Calle [mailto:carl.holmberg@avance.se] Sent: 23 October 2003 13:21 To: Brian McGee; ceremony Subject: Re: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes well, what about the brain in the new order camp who came up with the = idea of letting Sly & Robbie remix Ruined in a day. Spot the difference in = the mixes, anyone? Still holds that as a number 1 crime against New Order=B4s music! /carl Brian McGee wrote: New Order's worst moments? 10. Bernard saying "Let's get this party...rockin" before Paradise at Reading 98 9. Miming for "Temptation 98" 8. The audio production on the original Temptation 12" 7. The last two minutes of BLT from any gig from 1993 onwards where all = the guitar has been removed 6. Such A Good Thing (which wasn't) 5. The vocals on Thieves Like Us for that live version in the Play At = Home TV programme on Channel 4 in 1984. 4. The backing vocals during live versions of World, coming out of thin = air 3. Gillian doing nothing during the live version of World In Motion at Reading 98, while all keyboard lines are on tape 2. Any recording of Chosen Time played live in 1983 And the number one... 1. The first two minutes of E.G.G. live Stockholm May 19 1981 (this is = a cracker, it's actually funny, especially when Bernard starts on the = guitar). Make sure to check this one out if you're not familiar with it (hope = I've got the gig date right) All of those are worse than Subculture 12" AND World In Motion! Brian =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) [mailto:tivarsson@lucent.com] Sent: 23 October 2003 12:52 To: ceremony@monkey.org Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes =20 - -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:54 AM Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) =20 Hmm, I never understood this statement. Clearly, the majority=20 of the UK chart-voters (or single buyers) think different. I=20 thought the general consensus was that the worst moment was=20 Sub-Culture 12" (which I don't agree with either) or Rock The=20 Shack (which I may agree with). Well, it's nice to know that the taste of people differs. If=20 everyone had my taste, the world would not be a better place :) T. - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: =20 http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . =20 - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: = http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:44:52 +0100 From: "Kevin Maidment" Subject: Re: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes "State Of The Nation" So nondescript that most of us have probably forgotten about it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian McGee" To: Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > New Order's worst moments? > > 10. Bernard saying "Let's get this party...rockin" before Paradise at > Reading 98 > 9. Miming for "Temptation 98" > 8. The audio production on the original Temptation 12" > 7. The last two minutes of BLT from any gig from 1993 onwards where all the > guitar has been removed > 6. Such A Good Thing (which wasn't) > 5. The vocals on Thieves Like Us for that live version in the Play At Home > TV programme on Channel 4 in 1984. > 4. The backing vocals during live versions of World, coming out of thin air > 3. Gillian doing nothing during the live version of World In Motion at > Reading 98, while all keyboard lines are on tape > 2. Any recording of Chosen Time played live in 1983 > > And the number one... > > 1. The first two minutes of E.G.G. live Stockholm May 19 1981 (this is a > cracker, it's actually funny, especially when Bernard starts on the guitar). > Make sure to check this one out if you're not familiar with it (hope I've > got the gig date right) > > All of those are worse than Subculture 12" AND World In Motion! > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) [mailto:tivarsson@lucent.com] > > Sent: 23 October 2003 12:52 > > To: ceremony@monkey.org > > Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:54 AM > > > > > > Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) > > > > Hmm, I never understood this statement. Clearly, the majority > > of the UK chart-voters (or single buyers) think different. I > > thought the general consensus was that the worst moment was > > Sub-Culture 12" (which I don't agree with either) or Rock The > > Shack (which I may agree with). > > > > Well, it's nice to know that the taste of people differs. If > > everyone had my taste, the world would not be a better place :) > > > > T. > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:20:12 +0100 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes I happen to love State of the nation! And beside Hurt, Such A Good Thing, and Run Wild, it's a damn good song! (cue people who like Hurt, Such A Good Thing and Run Wild....) If you take New Order as a whole, rather than just the tracks on the albums, they really have some amazingly bad moments, especially at gigs. Problem with picking a song as a bad moment is that there is always someone who thinks it's the best song in the world. But hey, check out that EGG recording if you have it! I had a CD of that gig years ago (think it was called Dead Bodies Can't Sing or something). Not sure I still have the recording but it's still clear in my head! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Maidment [mailto:k.maidment@btinternet.com] > Sent: 23 October 2003 13:45 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: Re: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > > "State Of The Nation" > > So nondescript that most of us have probably forgotten about it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian McGee" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:13 PM > Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > > > > > New Order's worst moments? > > > > 10. Bernard saying "Let's get this party...rockin" before > Paradise at > > Reading 98 > > 9. Miming for "Temptation 98" > > 8. The audio production on the original Temptation 12" > > 7. The last two minutes of BLT from any gig from 1993 > onwards where all > the > > guitar has been removed > > 6. Such A Good Thing (which wasn't) > > 5. The vocals on Thieves Like Us for that live version in > the Play At Home > > TV programme on Channel 4 in 1984. > > 4. The backing vocals during live versions of World, coming > out of thin > air > > 3. Gillian doing nothing during the live version of World > In Motion at > > Reading 98, while all keyboard lines are on tape > > 2. Any recording of Chosen Time played live in 1983 > > > > And the number one... > > > > 1. The first two minutes of E.G.G. live Stockholm May 19 > 1981 (this is a > > cracker, it's actually funny, especially when Bernard starts on the > guitar). > > Make sure to check this one out if you're not familiar with > it (hope I've > > got the gig date right) > > > > All of those are worse than Subculture 12" AND World In Motion! > > > > Brian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ivarsson, Torbjorn (T) [mailto:tivarsson@lucent.com] > > > Sent: 23 October 2003 12:52 > > > To: ceremony@monkey.org > > > Subject: RE: (Fac33) World In Motion remixes > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Nicolas LeBlanc [mailto:nleblanc@neworderonline.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:54 AM > > > > > > > > Shame this song went to #1, one of New Order's worst moment ;-) > > > > > > Hmm, I never understood this statement. Clearly, the majority > > > of the UK chart-voters (or single buyers) think different. I > > > thought the general consensus was that the worst moment was > > > Sub-Culture 12" (which I don't agree with either) or Rock The > > > Shack (which I may agree with). > > > > > > Well, it's nice to know that the taste of people differs. If > > > everyone had my taste, the world would not be a better place :) > > > > > > T. > > > ------- > > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > > > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > > > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > > > > > ------- > > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . - ------- + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to . ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #52 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .