From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2003 #61 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Friday, December 26 2003 Volume 2003 : Number 061 (Fac33) [query] -> _cd_distribution_list__international_2______ (Fac33) [ot:reply] -> _lifespan_of_digital_media_ (Fac33) [update] -> _cd_distribution_list__international_2______201203_____ (Fac33) JD Box set? (Fac33) blue monday cover RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? (Fac33) Jonathan Scott (Fac33) ARTERADIO vous propose Joy Division (Fac33) [update] -> _international_2____distribution_list_info_241203____ RE: (Fac33) [update] -> _international_2____distribution_list_info_241203____ (Fac33) Age Of Consent/Temptation - Live in 1984 - BBC Radio 6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:03:07 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [query] -> _cd_distribution_list__international_2______ [query] hi everyone, i hope you are doing well this holiday season.. ok, i've been rather critical of the 'new order' releases...so its time to put my money where my mouth is.. i'm done mastering the 4 discs now.. now for the really hard part... - --------- i've gotten a few replies from people that want to distribute the discs.. i guess i need people from different countries...(i live in houston, tx, usa)... i figure most of the copies will be in the USA, and then the UK...after that i'm not sure.. if you are interested, and are WILLING TO SEND COPIES OUT...read below... - --------- there are some conditions if you want to distribute these discs 1) NO PROFIT...i don't mind it if you take money for blanks/artwork/ postage etc....but dont charge them for the music....that will lead to legal problems.. 2) DONT REDISTRIBUTE OR SELL THEM ANYWHERE ONLINE...ebay, eil, etc.. i check all of those, and if i see them there....they will be taken down...why should we make money from other peoples work... 3) GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE, and BE TIMELY ABOUT SENDING THEM OUT....i don't really want this to drag out too much longer..its already been several months.. i know the artwork isn't done yet, but at this point, when its done, it will be put up, and then people can download it and print it themselves.. (or get someone else to do it for them).. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you can't abide by these, please dont ask for a copy.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i need to know by at least FRI december 26, if you want a copy of the 4 discs...if they sound ok, then we start collecting names...i don't think we need to change the listing or the mastering...but just in case... get back to me as soon as possible.. ******* NOTE : ***************** IMPORTANT : REPLY TO MY PERSONAL EMAIL ONLY !!!!!!!!!!!! NOT TO THE LIST, NOT ON THE FORUMS, OR ANYWHERE ELSE, I WILL NOT READ THOSE REPLIES............. ******************************** later | || | || || | | neg ative 1 'blue monday' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:23:11 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [ot:reply] -> _lifespan_of_digital_media_ [ot] hey no'ers.... with all this talk about how short cd-r's seem to last.. does anyone else use minidiscs? they supposedly last slightly longer...from the FAQ.. [link] http://www.minidisc.org/faq_sec_3.html#_q11 How long can the data/audio be stored on a recordable MD? Sony claims in their Magneto Optical FAQs that data may be stored with magneto optical technology for more than thirty years without loss or degradation. Once written to the disk, data are safe from the magnetic fields and heat found in normal environments. However, strong magnets placed directly against the MD can destroy data, as evidenced by informal experiments conducted by users. In contrast, a modern (ca. 1999) 'silver' pressed CD from a glass master is reckoned to last around 50 years or so from a chemical point of view. However a problem was found with the chemistry comprising early CD's (of around seven years and older) which caused degredation within a decade. - ------------ i've been using them for at least 10 years now....and my error rate is significantly smaller than with cd's and cd-r's...(out of 300 discs, maybe 4 or 5 have errors in the last decade)..unlike the countless errors i have with cd-r's... i like the fact they are enclosed in an outer shell, and you never touch the optical disc... also, they are easy to re-organize tracks, and re-writability is a standard feature..(which i've never been able to get to work with cd-rw's consistently)... i wish cd-r's had never been invented.... in fact, i think the move to cd's was a really bad idea.. it's definitely been one of the worst new formats that's come out in a long time...and after 20 years its still around? why? later | || | || | || ne gative 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:43:58 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _cd_distribution_list__international_2______201203_____ [update] hi no'ers, well, i've gotten a good response so far for the distributions... us - ---- 6+ people european countries (not including uk) - ----- 4 is there anyone from the uk/ireland/scotland, australia, south america, or any other countries interested? please let me know before next friday DEC 26... for those of you that expressed interest...i will be getting more details to you soon... later | | || | ||| n e gative 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Subject: (Fac33) JD Box set? What is the status of the limited 3CD JD boxset? Amazon has it listed as 12/15 release, but it hasn't dispathched my order. michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:35:43 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Lisa?= Subject: (Fac33) blue monday cover a little while ago someone posted about a blue monday cover, that was elektro sounding. i have lost the email and would like to have the link so i can hear it. i heard it out recently and i want to see if it is the same one. thanks. lisa ===== **NEXT EVENTS**Berlin...PvD [19/12] VANDIT NITE!!!!OMG!!!**Amsterdam...Innercity...PvD and others....!!![20/12] *So precious you know this hate of mine exploded I'm so deranged you know, I will never be the same Tying yourself to me, stitch up my emptiness 'Cause you're the death of me, so precious loving the thrill* "Jeg har ingenting men jeg har alt nar jeg har deg...I HAVE NOTHING, BUT I HAVE EVERYTHING WHEN I HAVE YOU"- nothing but you [you know who you are ;) i love you!] ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:29:21 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? I've been told now it's January 26th, the same day as the new Cure box set, which I am drooling at the mouth for !!! Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael [mailto:schwenko@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: 21 December 2003 21:47 > To: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: (Fac33) JD Box set? > > > What is the status of the limited 3CD JD boxset? > Amazon has it listed as 12/15 release, but it hasn't > dispathched my order. > > michael > > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:24:54 +0100 From: sordide@sol.dk Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? the set is available at ebay, so it must have been released peter >-- Originalt brev -- >From: Brian McGee >To: "'ceremony@monkey.org'" >Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:29:21 -0000 > > > >I've been told now it's January 26th, the same day as the new Cure box set, >which I am drooling at the mouth for !!! > >Brian > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael [mailto:schwenko@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: 21 December 2003 21:47 >> To: ceremony@monkey.org >> Subject: (Fac33) JD Box set? >> >> >> What is the status of the limited 3CD JD boxset? >> Amazon has it listed as 12/15 release, but it hasn't >> dispathched my order. >> >> michael >> >> >> ------- >> + Ceremony mailing list web page: >> http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ >> + To talk to a person, send mail to . >> >------- >+ Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ >+ To talk to a person, send mail to . ________________________________________ Få din egen webmail på http://solmail.sol.dk - gratis og med dig overalt! Træt af virus? Prøv beskyttelse gratis i 20 dage her: http://antivirus.sol.dk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:53:52 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? Is that necessarily the case? A lot of promo stuff and advance stuff appears on ebay. Has anyone on the list got it? I'd love to know do both the Paris and Paradiso gigs have the same Paradiso tracks?? > -----Original Message----- > From: sordide@sol.dk [mailto:sordide@sol.dk] > Sent: 22 December 2003 15:25 > To: Brian McGee > Cc: ceremony@monkey.org > Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? >=20 >=20 > the set is available at ebay, so it must have been released >=20 > peter >=20 > >-- Originalt brev -- > >From: Brian McGee > >To: "'ceremony@monkey.org'" > >Subject: RE: (Fac33) JD Box set? > >Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:29:21 -0000 > > > > > > > >I've been told now it's January 26th, the same day as the=20 > new Cure box set, > >which I am drooling at the mouth for !!! > > > >Brian > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Michael [mailto:schwenko@ix.netcom.com] > >> Sent: 21 December 2003 21:47 > >> To: ceremony@monkey.org > >> Subject: (Fac33) JD Box set? > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> What is the status of the limited 3CD JD boxset? > >> Amazon has it listed as 12/15 release, but it hasn't=20 > >> dispathched my order. > >>=20 > >> michael > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> ------- > >> + Ceremony mailing list web page: =20 > >> http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > >> + To talk to a person, send mail to . > >>=20 > >------- > >+ Ceremony mailing list web page: =20 > http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > >+ To talk to a person, send mail to . >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > F=E5 din egen webmail p=E5 http://solmail.sol.dk - gratis og med=20 > dig overalt! > Tr=E6t af virus? Pr=F8v beskyttelse gratis i 20 dage her:=20 http://antivirus.sol.dk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:51:20 -0000 From: Brian McGee Subject: (Fac33) Jonathan Scott Anyone here heard from Jonathan Scott in the last year or so? Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:52:38 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Roland=20Metzger?= Subject: (Fac33) ARTERADIO vous propose Joy Division Hi all and Merry X-mas For all you french-speakers...there is a 9 Minute documentary at: ARTERADIO vous propose Joy Division Des ruines de l'Hacienda à la tombe de Ian Curtis, un pèlerinage sonore à Manchester rythmé par les textes de Joy traduits en français. La web radio d'ARTE : + de 300 sons téléchargeables en mp3. http://www.arteradio.com/jumptohi.html?382 Sounds quite experimental...no wonder; it's french..hehe Cheers Roland - ------------ Los mejores usados y las más tentadoras ofertas de 0km están en Yahoo! Autos. Comprá o vendé tu auto en http://autos.yahoo.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:02:00 -0600 From: "-1" Subject: (Fac33) [update] -> _international_2____distribution_list_info_241203____ [update] hi everyone, well i've gotten an excellent response in the last few days.. i'm not sure how many people will want copies, but i think we should be okay.. just a few other notes: 1) legal issues - ------------------------ in case you're wary of implications, please don't feel obligated to do it.. i feel as long as we don't start selling copies, and keep it amongst the fans, we are ok.. 2) number of copies - -------------------- there is no maximum, but most people feel that 3-4 copies are fine.. i agree, the last thing i want is for people to spend time copying, and not listening... also, DONT FEEL OBLIGATED TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE COST...try to work something out with the people that want one (especially if they are internationally located)... 3) artwork - ------------------------ this is still being worked on..... i know its running late, so bear with me..... the idea that i had was to mimic the 'international' type and style.. but if you have an alternate idea, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.. (i'm not saying the artwork has to be mine..) 4) miscellaneous - ----------------------- if you have any other questions or concerns, please contact me via my personal email.. enjoy your holidays and merry christmas... later | || | | || ne gativ e1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:04:06 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) [update] -> _international_2____distribution_list_info_241203____ I'm no angel, but which country has laws where it is ok of trading copyrighted material as long as you don't sell it? C'mon -1, you know it's illegal, so is mp3 sharing (and we don't sell them)... Grey market, such as live recordings, is something, even if illegal is tolerated, but nevertheless illegal.. As I said, I sure am no angel on that matter, and I've done my share of bad things in the past, but please, don't let them think it's ok as long as they don't sell it. I'd say it's ok as long as you POSSESS the items on those CDs... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:51:13 -0000 From: "Nick King" Subject: (Fac33) Age Of Consent/Temptation - Live in 1984 - BBC Radio 6 On Christmas Eve, BBC Radio 6 played two songs from an unknown gig in 1984 (some people on here will probably be able to tell which gig!) of New Order - - Age Of Consent and Temptation. You can hear the gig for a week from this link - http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/dream_ticket.shtml - select the 'Listen Now' button where it says 'CAN plus support' and fast forward to roughly 30 minutes in, and enjoy! Something to lighten up your Boxing Day blues! l8rs, Nick ;) ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2003 #61 ******************************** ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .