From: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org (ceremony-digest) To: ceremony-digest@monkey.org Subject: ceremony-digest V2004 #8 Reply-To: ceremony@monkey.org Sender: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Errors-To: owner-ceremony-digest@monkey.org Precedence: bulk ------- + Ceremony list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + See the above site for subscribing/unsubscribing and back issues. ------- ceremony-digest Monday, March 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 008 (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 (Fac33) Re: ceremony-digest V2004 #7 > Subject: (Fac33) Gabrielles Wish cover New Order's Elegia Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 (Fac33) Evil dust RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 (Fac33) looking for... (Fac33) 80 min CDs (Fac33) the wit and wisdom of... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 18:52:56 -0800 From: "Evan Salomon" Subject: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 I picked up the new Revenge last week. The bonus tracks are awesome, and it includes probably just about every b-side, instrumental, or compilation track ever issued, as well as 2 newly recorded tracks and a few outtakes. It is supposedly remastered, but the remaster quality doesn't seem up to standard. It takes out some of the liveliness of the original songs. Further, MANY of the songs are edited!!! Edited From One True Passion: 5:30 -> 3:58 Pineapple Face 5:12 -> 4:26 Big Bang 5:26 -> 5:14 Fag Hag Edited From Gun World Porn: 4:53 -> 4:26 Deadbeat 4:54 -> 4:11 Cloue Nine 6:26 -> 5:49 State Of Shock (edited from UK version) Other Edits: 6:47 -> 6:03 Pineapple Face's Big Day (Remix) What eludes me is the reason for editing the songs, since there is plenty of room on the CDs to include the full versions. So I am a bit disappointed about the quality of the album/ep tracks. However, for all the rare stuff that I don't have it's well worth it: - - Demo version of 7 Reasons (possibly the same version as on the Jesus I Love You / 7 Reasons single) - - Deadbeat (Gary Clail DUB) - - The Trouble With Girls (Outtake of Big Bang) - - Wende (Outtake of Slave) - - Hot Nights/Cool City (Outtake of Bleachman) - - 4 Unreleased tracks!!! To have ALL revenge, you still have to buy just about every Revenge CD released - - non-edited album tracks - - non-demo 7 reasons - - remixes - - edits There's even some still vinyl-only tracks like - - little pig (extended mix) But for the true Revenge collector, OTM V2.0 *is* a nice addition. Evan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:30:03 -0800 From: Sam Habash Subject: Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:52:56PM -0800, Evan Salomon wrote: > What eludes me is the reason for editing the songs, since there is > plenty of room on the CDs to include the full versions. So I am a bit > disappointed about the quality of the album/ep tracks. That's a good question. I was specifically a bit disappointed with the "bald and ugly sailors" intro bitgetting cut from Fag Hag. Seems that Hooky supervised all of the editing, at least according to James Nice, so you'll have to ask him one of these days. > To have ALL revenge, you still have to buy just about every Revenge CD > released I have no problem with that. I'm sure Hooky doesn't either! > There's even some still vinyl-only tracks like > - little pig (extended mix) Ooh, I don't have this one. > But for the true Revenge collector, OTM V2.0 *is* a nice addition. Yes. And you forgot to mention the Vikings! - --Sam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:34:19 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Jauncey?= Subject: (Fac33) Re: ceremony-digest V2004 #7 Yes Mick, it was rather funny watching them screw it up completely and then skulk around the place looking miserable. Thought they should have their own dressing room as well - with 15 acts on they were taking the piss ! They seemed to think we shouldn't be in "their" dressing room. :) - ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:57:47 +0100 > From: "Mick Aneworderfan [GWW]" > Subject: (Fac33) Gabrielles Wish cover New Order's > Elegia > > === message truncated === ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:27:57 +0100 From: "Mick Aneworderfan [GWW]" Subject: > Subject: (Fac33) Gabrielles Wish cover New Order's Elegia - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Jauncey" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: (Fac33) Re: ceremony-digest V2004 #7 Yes Mick, it was rather funny watching them screw it up completely and then skulk around the place looking miserable. Thought they should have their own dressing room as well - with 15 acts on they were taking the piss ! They seemed to think we shouldn't be in "their" dressing room. :) *It's funny they think it wasn't that good too, but I think it was, it's a great performance, much better than the most of New Order's own renditions of that song. They may have been assholes but I know they can be nice lads anyway. And see you when you'll have written a song as fabulous as Simple... ;-p Mick: mick973@email.it :: Aneworderfan: http://www.aneworderfan.zor.org Gabrielles Wish official site: http://www.gww.zor.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:28:26 +0100 From: "Mick Aneworderfan [GWW]" Subject: Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Salomon" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 > What eludes me is the reason for editing the songs, since there is > plenty of room on the CDs to include the full versions. *There are two CDs of about 75 minutes each, which seems to be the limit for releases. I can't see the plenty of room without adding a third CD. One of my favourite records ever, though, it's great to have all these tracks on the same issue, and at such a cheap price too! :-) Mick: mick973@email.it :: Aneworderfan: http://www.aneworderfan.zor.org Gabrielles Wish official site: http://www.gww.zor.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:22:33 -0800 From: "Evan Salomon" Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 I don't know about current industry, standards, but take the Rest Of New Order which is 80:01 or so. In the old days, CDs were limited to 74 minutes, but then at some point 80 minute discs became the standard. Supposedly, a CD is not -as- compatible if it is over 77 minutes or so, but that still seems pretty ridiculous to me. I never had a player which wouldn't play Rest Of New Order - maybe an occasional CD-ROM that didn't like ripping it. If they had to cut, I would say they should've cut off some previously issued tracks like the pineapple face and slave remixes (which are available on the US singles) instead of cropping the songs. There's plenty of mixes NOT on there, so why just choose a couple at the expense of the other tracks? The edits sound so bad (having listened to the originals hundreds of times and developed a 'true passion' for them. The edit of Cloud Nine is especially bad ... there's a nasty crop at the end. And the full *stunning* version of State Of Shock (available only on the UK Gun World Porn) loses much of its umph not only with the edit but with the remastering .. the sounds are LESS separated, when usually a remaster brings out the sound separation much better. I could just as readily do with a single CD of rarities than a meshed double CD! Of course that wouldn't be as marketable... - - Evan - -----Original Message----- From: Mick Aneworderfan [GWW] [mailto:mick973@email.it] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:23 AM To: Evan Salomon Subject: Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 > What eludes me is the reason for editing the songs, since there is > plenty of room on the CDs to include the full versions. *There are two CDs of about 75 minutes each, which seems to be the limit for releases. I can't see the plenty of room without adding a third CD. One of my favourite records ever, though, it's great to have all these tracks on the same issue, and at such a cheap price too! :-) Mick: mick973@email.it :: Aneworderfan: http://www.aneworderfan.zor.org Gabrielles Wish official site: http://www.gww.zor.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:32:34 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: (Fac33) Evil dust Hi everyone, If anyone's interested, I have just uploaded 9 remixes of almanso's cover of Angel Dust on NewOrderOnline.com, and there is a poll to select which one will make it to the Community EP. Might be of interest, as almanso is a member of Ceremony! Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:44:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Andrew J. Lillie" Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 Well, 74 minutes is still _the_ standard (as found in the "Red Book" definition for CD audio). And, there's no "supposedly" about it. Anything over 74 minutes is going to not be _as_ compatible across the board. There are probably a lot of folks with old CD players out there still (heck, the CD player connected to my stereo system is 14 years old), and I'd say its reasonable to assume that some of these older players could have trouble with disks outside the standard. I grant you, I've never had any problems with disks over 74 minutes, but that doesn't encessarily mean anything. - -=A=- On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Evan Salomon wrote: > I don't know about current industry, standards, but take the Rest Of New > Order which is 80:01 or so. In the old days, CDs were limited to 74 > minutes, but then at some point 80 minute discs became the standard. > Supposedly, a CD is not -as- compatible if it is over 77 minutes or so, > but that still seems pretty ridiculous to me. I never had a player > which wouldn't play Rest Of New Order - maybe an occasional CD-ROM that > didn't like ripping it. If they had to cut, I would say they should've > cut off some previously issued tracks like the pineapple face and slave > remixes (which are available on the US singles) instead of cropping the > songs. There's plenty of mixes NOT on there, so why just choose a > couple at the expense of the other tracks? > > The edits sound so bad (having listened to the originals hundreds of > times and developed a 'true passion' for them. The edit of Cloud Nine > is especially bad ... there's a nasty crop at the end. And the full > *stunning* version of State Of Shock (available only on the UK Gun World > Porn) loses much of its umph not only with the edit but with the > remastering .. the sounds are LESS separated, when usually a remaster > brings out the sound separation much better. > > I could just as readily do with a single CD of rarities than a meshed > double CD! Of course that wouldn't be as marketable... > > - Evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mick Aneworderfan [GWW] [mailto:mick973@email.it] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 3:23 AM > To: Evan Salomon > Subject: Re: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 > > > What eludes me is the reason for editing the songs, since there is > > plenty of room on the CDs to include the full versions. > > *There are two CDs of about 75 minutes each, which seems to be the limit > for > releases. I can't see the plenty of room without adding a third CD. > One of my favourite records ever, though, it's great to have all these > tracks on the same issue, and at such a cheap price too! :-) > > Mick: mick973@email.it :: Aneworderfan: http://www.aneworderfan.zor.org > Gabrielles Wish official site: http://www.gww.zor.org > > ------- > + Ceremony mailing list web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ > + To talk to a person, send mail to . > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:53:13 -0500 From: "Nicolas LeBlanc" Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 But some 80 mins CD started to flow in early 90's, so I guess all CD players can handle them.. (my reference being the Pet Shop Boy's Discography, released on November 1991) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ceremony@monkey.org [mailto:owner-ceremony@monkey.org] On Behalf Of Andrew J. Lillie Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:45 PM To: Evan Salomon Cc: ceremony@monkey.org; 'Mick Aneworderfan [GWW]' Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 Well, 74 minutes is still _the_ standard (as found in the "Red Book" definition for CD audio). And, there's no "supposedly" about it. Anything over 74 minutes is going to not be _as_ compatible across the board. There are probably a lot of folks with old CD players out there still (heck, the CD player connected to my stereo system is 14 years old), and I'd say its reasonable to assume that some of these older players could have trouble with disks outside the standard. I grant you, I've never had any problems with disks over 74 minutes, but that doesn't encessarily mean anything. - -=A=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:28:10 -0800 From: "Evan Salomon" Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 CD 1 is 75:27 CD 2 is 74:51 The only standard I've heard of between 74 and 80 is somewhere around 77. So maybe they didn't have to do *as much* editing? - - Evan - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew J. Lillie [mailto:andy@bigdis.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 10:45 AM To: Evan Salomon Cc: ceremony@monkey.org; 'Mick Aneworderfan [GWW]' Subject: RE: (Fac33) One True Passion V2.0 Well, 74 minutes is still _the_ standard (as found in the "Red Book" definition for CD audio). And, there's no "supposedly" about it. Anything over 74 minutes is going to not be _as_ compatible across the board. There are probably a lot of folks with old CD players out there still (heck, the CD player connected to my stereo system is 14 years old), and I'd say its reasonable to assume that some of these older players could have trouble with disks outside the standard. I grant you, I've never had any problems with disks over 74 minutes, but that doesn't encessarily mean anything. - -=A=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:48:20 -0500 From: Cynflux@aol.com Subject: (Fac33) looking for... i am trying to contact a new order fan whom i traded some new order items with. he sent me his new e-mail address but i lost. his name is steve smith and his old e-mail address was smithdarton@aol.com...he posted some messages on neworderonline forums but i forgot his username, but i know he's from the UK. if you read this Steve, send me an e-mail to cynflux@aol.com... ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:25:54 +0000 From: "Peter Zarustica" Subject: (Fac33) 80 min CDs NewOrder's Rest Of has 80:04 all the best Pete _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:24:20 -0800 From: Sam Habash Subject: (Fac33) the wit and wisdom of... This is really apropos of very little, and some of you may have seen this already, but for those who haven't, enjoy. I have a few of these bon mots, they are pearls of wisdom, they are. http://www.new-order.net/no/facs/livequotes.html The latest and greatest I stumbled onto is now in my .sig. Sam - -- "It's all about nothing. It's a catchy title and a catchy tune, but it doesn't really mean anything. Guess that's like the story of my life. And yours as well." -- Bernard Sumner, introducing Sunrise (Dublin 25 Jan 1986) ------------------------------ End of ceremony-digest V2004 #8 ******************************* ------- + For information on subscribing/unsubscribing and the digest archives, + see the Ceremony web page: http://www.monkey.org/~laps/ceremony/ + To talk to a person, send mail to .